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Post by jardine01 on Sept 5, 2011 18:19:57 GMT
I think the reason why trains come into stations quick is becuase they are closely spaced by the time you get to line speed you need to brake but by that time you may be entering the station. Ether that or the Bakerloo have fast drivers?
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Post by tecchy on Sept 5, 2011 18:50:50 GMT
At the moment the 1972 stock has more power than the 1995 stock when TBTC is introduced on the Northern it should be much faster. The other day on the Bakerloo line at oxford circus the train came whizzing in! No, Line speeds will not change very much. In some areas they may slightly. TBTC will means they can run trains closer together, thus more frequently and more trains. The line speed(s) may change slightly in some areas, but not as much as people are expecting. 72's (and in some cases A's) you can get away with coming into the platform at 45/50 and put full Westinghouse on and hold it on and the train will still stop. Not recommended in the central areas, but good north of Queens Park! |
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Post by jardine01 on Sept 5, 2011 18:55:02 GMT
The Bakerloo line i find is very slow north of Queens Park the line speed is 45/50 mph i think but they only seem to reach around 35mph. The Bakerloo line seems to be much faster in the tunnels.
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Post by tecchy on Sept 5, 2011 18:57:43 GMT
I think you will find 75% of your point specifically relates to the driver(s) under question. A guy at Queens Park only uses the Westinghouse. Some only use EP, some drive slow because they know if they go fast they will only be held at a red in a station. Some like speed. 72's are one of the best stocks for handling speed.
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Post by jardine01 on Sept 5, 2011 19:16:48 GMT
What do you mean by handling speed do you mean the best for accerating or holing speed?
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Post by tecchy on Sept 5, 2011 19:25:09 GMT
They perform well and are very responsive on brakes at high speeds. You can achieve a fairly fast speed on them.
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Post by Ben on Sept 5, 2011 20:26:08 GMT
You're such a speed freak Jardine! ;D  ;D If only LU would attempt a speed test charter or two on some quiet Sunday. Could get a lot of interest! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2011 16:44:36 GMT
Line speed higher outside tunnels. It's 45 mph. 1972s seem to struggle to reach it. 378s are faster on that stretch.
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Post by SE13 on Sept 15, 2011 17:00:50 GMT
Line speed higher outside tunnels. It's 45 mph. 1972s seem to struggle to reach it. 378s are faster on that stretch. I'd have expected it to be higher in the pipes  I remember asking about it one time, and the answer came back that the pipe sections were safer as less trespassers etc would be likely to be in the way. That said, the Bakerloo always seemed "slow" to me, or are other lines just faster? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2011 16:40:43 GMT
I had my first ride on a new Vic train last week..It seemed to me they were faster than on other lines,could that be cos the tunnels are new compaired to for instance the central line
and less bends
does anyone know if line speeds are faster than on other lines north of kings cross
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Nov 10, 2011 16:43:44 GMT
I had my first ride on a new Vic train last week..It seemed to me they were faster than on other lines,could that be cos the tunnels are new compaired to for instance the central line and less bends does anyone know if line speeds are faster than on other lines north of kings cross Last time I checked the Vic was 45mph, everywhere. (Except the depot) |
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Post by edwin on Nov 11, 2011 3:44:02 GMT
^^The sensation of speed on the Victoria is AFAIK because it doesn't have any bends that require speed restrictions. And because the stations tend to be further apart.
Also the modern rolling stock and signalling contributes, but IMO it was still pretty fast when the 67TS were on it.
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Post by jardine01 on Nov 11, 2011 7:32:46 GMT
In my experince the fastest trains are the deep level ones the Subsurface stock can only get up to 35mph apart from the metropolitan line which can go 50mph.
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Post by jardine01 on Nov 11, 2011 7:33:40 GMT
Victoria line line speed 45mph? I thought it was 50mph?
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Post by SE13 on Nov 11, 2011 9:42:25 GMT
Victoria line line speed 45mph? I thought it was 50mph? AIUI, the 09 stock is designed to reach 50mph, but the line speed is 45mph. |
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Post by railtechnician on Nov 11, 2011 10:56:59 GMT
Victoria line line speed 45mph? I thought it was 50mph? AIUI, the 09 stock is designed to reach 50mph, but the line speed is 45mph. AFAIR the line speed was faster when the line first opened but was subsequently reduced to 55kph. |
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Nov 11, 2011 11:59:23 GMT
Why? Did it have issues or what?
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Post by jardine01 on Nov 11, 2011 17:24:07 GMT
They go much faster than 45mph I am sure especially between Highbury and islington and kings cross. I watched a victoria line cab ride on Youtube and you could see the speedometer and it was reading 50mph.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2011 18:00:25 GMT
They go much faster than 45mph I am sure especially between Highbury and islington and kings cross. I watched a victoria line cab ride on Youtube and you could see the speedometer and it was reading 50mph. Jardine, when you're old enough to get a driving licence would you warn us all? With your obsession for acceleration and speed I'd consider you a mortal danger on the roads!  Hmmmmmm........reminds me of me before I left school! Happy days!  |
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Post by tecchy on Nov 11, 2011 21:42:11 GMT
67s could go up to 57mph before tripping out. They regularly did between Highbury and Kings X as you say, fastest bit on the line!
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Post by SE13 on Nov 11, 2011 22:17:48 GMT
Mod comment, and yes I'm guilty, can we take this one back on topic, 09 and Victoria Line stuff belong in there, so can we push this thread back to the Bakerloo - I can split, but some posts are relevant, so as long as we're back on topic, it'll all remain.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2011 0:20:03 GMT
I know its a bloody stupid comparison, but I know the route very well on BVE and I come into stations at the full line speed and stop near enough on the dot, its not a long line so drivers must know it like the back of their hands, so I can see why it has fast approaches
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2011 8:16:36 GMT
I thought the trip out speed was 47 mph with the '67 stock.
Bronzeonion don't forget drivers don't drive Victoria line trains at line speed. All ATO.
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Nov 12, 2011 11:38:28 GMT
And since ATO always tries to keep it on line speed...
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Post by jardine01 on Nov 12, 2011 17:08:57 GMT
prehaps the 1972 stock drivers trust to come in on full belt then have enough time to brake. On ATO lines I think trains pritty much approach some stations at 30-40mph.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2011 23:53:33 GMT
Bronzeonion don't forget drivers don't drive Victoria line trains at line speed. All ATO. I was talking about the Bakerloo |
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Nov 13, 2011 10:55:51 GMT
prehaps the 1972 stock drivers trust to come in on full belt then have enough time to brake. On ATO lines I think trains pritty much approach some stations at 30-40mph. Actually, they usually drive into the stations at full speed and then brake pretty hard, causing it to be hard to make good photos of all ATO stocks when under ATO. |
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