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Post by ianvisits on May 21, 2011 15:58:18 GMT
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Post by tubeprune on May 21, 2011 16:30:25 GMT
What a wonderful drawing. Not pre-1910 though. It could have been drawn any time between 1914, when the loop was opened, and 1926, when it was closed. The WB District train looks like 1922 Oerlikon Stock off the LNWR.
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Post by norbitonflyer on May 21, 2011 16:51:43 GMT
How did they fit main line profiled clerestory stock on the Bakerloo?
as it refers to the "SECR" station it must be pre-1923
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2011 17:14:24 GMT
How did they fit main line profiled clerestory stock on the Bakerloo? One hell of a shoehorn ;D ;D I doubt that's as accurately drawn as it could have been, that stock. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2011 19:09:35 GMT
The WB District train looks like 1922 Oerlikon Stock off the LNWR. Not very likely - the LNWR/NLR service to Mansion House (the Outer Circle) ended in 1909, before electrification. |
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Post by angelislington on May 22, 2011 16:06:25 GMT
Fascinating. The image here is much the same, a little clearer in layout but far fewer details. In this, we can say it was drawn no later than 1915, as the District station is Charing Cross, but the deep-level Bakerloo and CCE&HR stations both Embankment - all three were renamed Charing Cross in 1915. However the pic above posted by ianvisits, it's certainly true that it can't be later than 31st December 1922 due to the name of the mainline station; but as for an 'earlier than' date, no indication is made as to station name of the Underground lines. You can't see the polarity of the running lines on the Bakerloo, which would confirm pre- or post-1917. I've been trying to establish when the emergency pump was installed (mentioned on the far left-hand side of the picture, above the Bakerloo and below the topsoil, if that makes sense). CULG states: I'm aware that this only refers to flood prevention frames rather than an emergency pump, so I'm back to square one on that reference. Looking on the very right-hand side of the pic, we can see that LCC trams ran trailer cars in rush hour, which happened between 1913 and 1924. So, still no nearer the 'no earlier than'. Hmm. All told, an absolutely wonderful pic. I wonder where it comes from? |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2011 19:56:02 GMT
What an excellent set of pictures! I'm not normally a cross section person (if you see what I mean) but these are most enlightening! Very interesting indeed and a peek in to the world of the old Embankment (or Charing Cross). Very glad to have come across this thread!
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Post by phillw48 on May 22, 2011 20:03:18 GMT
A clue to the date perhaps. On the District platforms it states 'Stairs under construction.' Could this indicate the date?
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Post by mrfs42 on May 22, 2011 20:09:43 GMT
. You can't see the polarity of the running lines on the Bakerloo, which would confirm pre- or post-1917. <ahem> 1915. I've got a photocopy of the relevant Traffic Notice some where - if you'd asked, possibly under your side of the bed!   |
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Post by causton on May 23, 2011 0:15:34 GMT
There is a signature on the bottom right hand corner (of the original post's picture) with the number '20' next to it - is that a really obvious clue and the year is 1920? (Probably not. *shuffles away*)
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Post by railtechnician on May 23, 2011 0:38:08 GMT
Fascinating. The image here is much the same, a little clearer in layout but far fewer details. All told, an absolutely wonderful pic. I wonder where it comes from? I've never seen that view before, interestingly the lattice footbridge over the Bakerloo platforms is extant although well hidden behind modern platform fascia and has long been in the disused area. The early valve amplifier platform PA system cubicle was housed there and I would not be surprised to learn that it is still there although decommissioned around 30 years ago. Somewhere I have/had a cutaway drawing of the station at ticket hall level though I can't lay my hands upon it at present. My recollection is that it shows the ticket hall before the shops, ticket offices and staff accommodation were built and it literally is like a hall, much larger than it appears these days. If I come across it I'll see if I can scan it and post it here. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2011 11:44:19 GMT
The polarity of current rails on Bakerloo Line was reversed with outside rail becoming ‘positive’ and centre rail ‘negative’ on 11/12/1915. This also applied to the Queen's Park - Willesden Junction section. T/N 44/15.
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