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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2011 19:35:50 GMT
This morning, I took the usual (0747 departure from Mile End) Hainault via Newbury Park train with an Epping destination at the front. The DVA was also saying "This is a Central Line train to Epping" all the way to Leytonstone.
There, the driver announced it was a Hainault train. He then played the "Epping" DVA twice which caused the whole train to tip out - good fun! ;D He finally made another announcement confirming this was a Hainault train.
The sheep do actually listen - sometimes!
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Post by retep on May 23, 2011 20:18:30 GMT
I listen to announcements, i haven't been on the 92 tube stock much but i think it has the oldest Dva on tube network. It didn't announce what lines you can change for today when i used it.
But i liked the speed of the train which was fast but White City to Shepherds Bush seems to have lots of curves and the train went slow between those two stations.
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Post by rincew1nd on May 23, 2011 20:30:48 GMT
On Sunday I took the Chiltern from Marylebone to Amersham, then spent the afternoon riding the 4TC with Sarah Siddons and the 38ts. When I finally got on a 73ts back into central London the DVA surprised me when it burst into life!
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Post by Bighat on May 23, 2011 21:01:10 GMT
I listen to announcements, i haven't been on the 92 tube stock much but i think it has the oldest Dva on tube network. It didn't announce what lines you can change for today when i used it. But i liked the speed of the train which was fast but White City to Shepherds Bush seems to have lots of curves and the train went slow between those two stations. Its where the running lines change over from left to right hand running, and have to negotiate (westbound) round the small White City Depot. |
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Post by plasmid on May 24, 2011 17:47:30 GMT
They don't listen when it comes to the doors. On my return from work this evening the doors closed at LS, a couple of doors re-opened and then closed again...and then to my humour...the T/Op came on and said "It appears that some people don't understand what Stand Clear Of The Doors Means, STAND CLEAR OF THE DOORS".
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2011 18:56:19 GMT
I like it when an eagle eyed T/Op actually identifies and then shames the transgressor. "Ladies and Gentlemen, we're waiting for the man who's using his child's buggy as a door wedge. Yes, him with the blue and yellow hat - fifth carriage back, that's him, blue and yellow hat with a buggy - that's the man keeping us all waiting.....congratulations." almost ingrained in my memory as it was so well put. Central Line, can't remember which station now but between St. Pauls and Oxford Circus, about 12 years ago.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2011 18:58:13 GMT
92ts don't have in-car CCTV so I fail to see how that is possible! Or, do you mean from the OPO CCTV?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2011 19:29:35 GMT
Most people who block the doors are getting on rather than getting off so we can see them on the platfrom with the CCTV in the cab
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2011 19:34:17 GMT
92ts don't have in-car CCTV so I fail to see how that is possible! Or, do you mean from the OPO CCTV? No idea how Charlie, I'm not as knowledgable as you about details like that so I couldn't say! The guy was on the platform pushing the buggy in front of him, not in the train, if that helps? All I can tell you is whatever happened, the T/Op was spot on with his description so he must have seen him somehow. I know this as I was one of the people cursing the man with the blue and yellow hat using the buggy as a door wedge five carriages back. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2011 20:30:57 GMT
92ts don't have in-car CCTV so I fail to see how that is possible! Or, do you mean from the OPO CCTV? No idea how Charlie, I'm not as knowledgable as you about details like that so I couldn't say! The guy was on the platform pushing the buggy in front of him, not in the train, if that helps? All I can tell you is whatever happened, the T/Op was spot on with his description so he must have seen him somehow. I know this as I was one of the people cursing the man with the blue and yellow hat using the buggy as a door wedge five carriages back. Must be the OPO CCTV. On the Central, Jubilee, Northern, Victoria and Metropolitan the platforms are visible from inside the cab at the approach. Though for the Met that's only in S8s, and 09s on the Vic. A leaky feeder wire provides the video feed to the cab and means that the t/op can see the platform for a fair distance before and after the stop mark. On the older lines the OPO CCTV cameras are fed to monitors beside the stop mark, for example the Bakerloo, Victoria 67s, SSL, Piccadilly - nowhere near as good! And even on some places on the SSL there are no monitors just a mirror! |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2011 20:40:04 GMT
That sounds feasible to me old son! ;D
Honestly, the geezer with the blue and yellow hat was a complete moron, using his kid in a buggy to keep the doors open like that. By the by, would that type of censure by a T/Op be OK nowadays or would he/she be reprimanded for it?
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Post by North End on May 24, 2011 20:42:13 GMT
No idea how Charlie, I'm not as knowledgable as you about details like that so I couldn't say! The guy was on the platform pushing the buggy in front of him, not in the train, if that helps? All I can tell you is whatever happened, the T/Op was spot on with his description so he must have seen him somehow. I know this as I was one of the people cursing the man with the blue and yellow hat using the buggy as a door wedge five carriages back. Must be the OPO CCTV. On the Central, Jubilee, Northern, Victoria and Metropolitan the platforms are visible from inside the cab at the approach. Though for the Met that's only in S8s, and 09s on the Vic. A leaky feeder wire provides the video feed to the cab and means that the t/op can see the platform for a fair distance before and after the stop mark. On the older lines the OPO CCTV cameras are fed to monitors beside the stop mark, for example the Bakerloo, Victoria 67s, SSL, Piccadilly - nowhere near as good! And even on some places on the SSL there are no monitors just a mirror! This isn't totally true. Using the 95 stock as an example as that is what I am most familiar with (but I believe the other stocks have a similar setup), the platform is always visible until the entire train has left station limits. However only a very small number of platforms does the monitor switch on before the train has come to a stand. Normally the view appears just as the train is rolling up to a stand. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2011 20:58:56 GMT
Didn't know that.
From what I saw on The Tube of the 92ts one it comes up on the approach to a platform!
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2011 21:16:30 GMT
It does... normally come on when the train pops out the tunnel mouth and disappears when the back of the train leaves the station!!  "Are we getting the hint yet? When the door chimes sound, that means hurry up!!!" |
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Post by plasmid on May 24, 2011 23:07:52 GMT
Chaps...
Who is the T/Op who comes on the DVA practically every stop and always says...
"Whatever you do, whatever the weather, God Bless and have a safe journey home" - or something along those lines?
I appreciate his mentality for well-being but at every station is almost overkill haha!
Also there is another one who likes to push DVA buttons at every stop, in this particular order...
1) Smoking is not permitted anywhere on the London Undergroud.
2) Thank you for travelling on the Central Line.
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Post by railtechnician on May 25, 2011 2:04:38 GMT
Must be the OPO CCTV. On the Central, Jubilee, Northern, Victoria and Metropolitan the platforms are visible from inside the cab at the approach. Though for the Met that's only in S8s, and 09s on the Vic. A leaky feeder wire provides the video feed to the cab and means that the t/op can see the platform for a fair distance before and after the stop mark. On the older lines the OPO CCTV cameras are fed to monitors beside the stop mark, for example the Bakerloo, Victoria 67s, SSL, Piccadilly - nowhere near as good! And even on some places on the SSL there are no monitors just a mirror! Actually there should be little or no difference in picture between TTCCTV (in cab) and OPO monitors because the cameras would be in the same positions. The basic pattern is headwall and mid platform but where the platform is curved or where there are obstructions such as signage, dot matrix etc additional cameras are placed to cover the otherwise blind spots. The leaky feeder has nothing whatsoever to do with coverage in terms of a berthed train but it does have the advantage of giving the driver a platform view on approach to the platform and when departing the station as the platform is still visible for several metres when the cab is beyond the headwall. TTCCTV is more likely to fail than platform OPO monitors due to the vibration in the track. This was very much a problem on the Central line when it was introduced, the cable being tightly tied down was subjected to sheer forces and much of it had to be replaced fairly quickly. I suspect a more flexible cable was used as the replacement but as the original project and the follow up works were non-LUL in terms of installation and maintenance I don't know for sure as the internal comms workforce at the time had nothing to do with any of it. |
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Post by Alight on May 25, 2011 12:15:30 GMT
I listen to announcements, i haven't been on the 92 tube stock much but i think it has the oldest Dva on tube network. It didn't announce what lines you can change for today when i used it. It is the oldest DVA out of the rolling stock currently in use, though the sound files were updated in late 2003. It should usually tell you the interchange options  Interestingly it doesn't have a manual 'Stand clear of the doors' message. |
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Post by alex92ts on May 25, 2011 12:50:21 GMT
TBH, i've noticed many annoucements cannot be clearly heard. I've often struggled to hear what the drivers are saying over the intercom, especially when the train is moving.
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Post by auxsetreq on May 25, 2011 14:35:52 GMT
One is expected to make so many announcements these days that some of us have had little microphones inserted in our gullets and our brain cell. Every sound spoken and the single thought of the day is relayed through the speakers to keep the punterage informed of any little travel difficulty that they may incur. All this so we can be eligible for 20p bonus before tax only to be told that we haven't made the *double plus good* score so we don't get it. So, we make even more announcements for the next quarter to ensure we get that two bob bonus........
...............I make lovely announcements about how to get to where and how to do it in clear cut and perfectly pronounced estuary English that I picked up from East Enders. "This train's for 'ainualt and ain't that the troooffff.......consider yerself........"
............. Do they listen? Do they heck! There's so many PAs going on all the time that it's now a competition about who can add the most to the constant cacophony and ear splitting din down there. So the customerage plug in, switch on and bliss out on iPodpadphone-ness and who can blame them for trying to escape from what they don't want. I might do a little survey at the end of the line one day and ask "Can you repeat back to me what I said at the last station?" An if I get a perfect rendition, I'll present em with a boooooooooket of banana skins in a Red Bull can improvised as a vase, and a BIG smackeroooooooooooo...................
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Post by retep on May 25, 2011 14:37:37 GMT
Interestingly it doesn't have a manual 'Stand clear of the doors' message. How comes the modern stock don't seem to have the 'Stand clear of the doors' message. 96 stock doesn't have it. I don't think the 95 stock have them either. Or even the 2009 stock, though i'm not sure. Even the s stock doesn't seem to have that announcement, looking on youtube. |
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Post by Alight on May 25, 2011 18:02:19 GMT
retep: The 1996 stock is the only other stock that doesn't have a stand clear of the doors message. Don't forget, the 1992 and 1996 stock DVAs were some of the earliest on the system so perhaps it wasn't a requirement then. The 95 stock has two variants: "stand clear of the doors" (notably without a please) and "this train is about to depart, please mind the doors." These can be heard here. The 2009 stock has "please stand clear of the closing doors". I can guarantee that the S stock has a stand clear of the doors message; most probably "please stand clear of the doors." |
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Post by railtechnician on May 25, 2011 18:03:33 GMT
One is expected to make so many announcements these days that some of us have had little microphones inserted in our gullets and our brain cell. Every sound spoken and the single thought of the day is relayed through the speakers to keep the punterage informed of any little travel difficulty that they may incur. All this so we can be eligible for 20p bonus before tax only to be told that we haven't made the *double plus good* score so we don't get it. So, we make even more announcements for the next quarter to ensure we get that two bob bonus........ ...............I make lovely announcements about how to get to where and how to do it in clear cut and perfectly pronounced estuary English that I picked up from East Enders. "This train's for 'ainualt and ain't that the troooffff.......consider yerself........" ............. Do they listen? Do they heck! There's so many PAs going on all the time that it's now a competition about who can add the most to the constant cacophony and ear splitting din down there. So the customerage plug in, switch on and bliss out on iPodpadphone-ness and who can blame them for trying to escape from what they don't want. I might do a little survey at the end of the line one day and ask "Can you repeat back to me what I said at the last station?" An if I get a perfect rendition, I'll present em with a boooooooooket of banana skins in a Red Bull can improvised as a vase, and a BIG smackeroooooooooooo................... 20p is of course four bob! |
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Post by auxsetreq on May 25, 2011 20:02:22 GMT
One is expected to make so many announcements these days that some of us have had little microphones inserted in our gullets and our brain cell. Every sound spoken and the single thought of the day is relayed through the speakers to keep the punterage informed of any little travel difficulty that they may incur. All this so we can be eligible for 20p bonus before tax only to be told that we haven't made the *double plus good* score so we don't get it. So, we make even more announcements for the next quarter to ensure we get that two bob bonus........ ...............I make lovely announcements about how to get to where and how to do it in clear cut and perfectly pronounced estuary English that I picked up from East Enders. "This train's for 'ainualt and ain't that the troooffff.......consider yerself........" ............. Do they listen? Do they heck! There's so many PAs going on all the time that it's now a competition about who can add the most to the constant cacophony and ear splitting din down there. So the customerage plug in, switch on and bliss out on iPodpadphone-ness and who can blame them for trying to escape from what they don't want. I might do a little survey at the end of the line one day and ask "Can you repeat back to me what I said at the last station?" An if I get a perfect rendition, I'll present em with a boooooooooket of banana skins in a Red Bull can improvised as a vase, and a BIG smackeroooooooooooo................... 20p is of course four bob! 20p is of course four bob ( two florins, or two two bobs ) and I'm glad you spotted Ceiling Cat's deliberate mistake. You must be a city banker as well as a rail boffin.............so............ Congratulation! ( just the one, we're all in this together ) I'm giving YOU the boooooooooket of banana skins in the bespoke vase fashioned from a Red Bull can. One of many left on every seat this morning..............Hope you don't mind if a cancel the smackerooooooooooooo That leaves me with a problem. What to give as a prize to someone you can repeat verbatim one of my fab East Enders announcements - "Dis train's fer 'ainault ain't that the troooofff. Yo, if ya got the wrong un cos ya didn't listen up, don't come crying to me 'cos I ain't yer muvver"............... ..........."Now madam, can you repeat what I said at Leytonstone?" - " Ermm, you said. My aunties feather likes my tea rich for Snaresbrook change here" - "Close enough madam. Congratulation! You win a basket of frooooot that I put together myself in the Ealing Broadway staff bogs. Ok it's apple cores, banana skins and orange peel, oh and look, a KFC chicken bone. All in a beautiful bowl made from a wet Evening Standard that a tramp's been sitting on............"............ |
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Post by ajamieson on May 28, 2011 14:35:31 GMT
Chaps... Who is the T/Op who comes on the DVA practically every stop and always says... "Whatever you do, whatever the weather, God Bless and have a safe journey home" - or something along those lines? I appreciate his mentality for well-being but at every station is almost overkill haha! He doesn't do it at practically every stop, he does it at every single stop and it is incredibly annoying. There is a fine line between expressing a bit of individuality and driving customers totally up the wall and this driver has totally crossed it. I hope he desists. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2011 14:42:25 GMT
retep: The 1996 stock is the only other stock that doesn't have a stand clear of the doors message. Don't forget, the 1992 and 1996 stock DVAs were some of the earliest on the system so perhaps it wasn't a requirement then. The 95 stock has two variants: "stand clear of the doors" (notably without a please) and "this train is about to depart, please mind the doors." These can be heard here. The 2009 stock has "please stand clear of the closing doors". I can guarantee that the S stock has a stand clear of the doors message; most probably "please stand clear of the doors." S stock does indeed have the message. Think it is please stand clear of the closing doors. |
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Post by retep on May 28, 2011 22:46:57 GMT
retep: The 1996 stock is the only other stock that doesn't have a stand clear of the doors message. Don't forget, the 1992 and 1996 stock DVAs were some of the earliest on the system so perhaps it wasn't a requirement then. The 95 stock has two variants: "stand clear of the doors" (notably without a please) and "this train is about to depart, please mind the doors." These can be heard here. The 2009 stock has "please stand clear of the closing doors". I can guarantee that the S stock has a stand clear of the doors message; most probably "please stand clear of the doors." Ok, my mistake its cause i've only used the 09 stock once, the s stock twice and the 1995 stock a few times |
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