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Post by A60stock on May 11, 2011 18:46:45 GMT
why is it that the stations north of harrow on the hill do not have DMI's that tell you the whereabouts of the next 2-3 trains?
All other lines have dmi's on all parts of them that show you this. it only seems to be this section of the met tht doesnt and the uxbridge branch.
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Post by metman on May 11, 2011 22:19:39 GMT
The DMIs will only do so when the signalling is upgraded I believe. DMIs south of Harrow are controlled from Baker Street with more local control beyond.
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Post by A60stock on May 12, 2011 1:51:23 GMT
what i see but on other lines the outer parts all have DMIs that tell you about the next 3 trains
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Post by metman on May 12, 2011 6:41:54 GMT
Which lines?
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Post by phillw48 on May 12, 2011 8:15:31 GMT
There are none on Dagenham East.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2011 8:17:22 GMT
I asked this question about a year ago, sachil: the signalling system isn't able to provide this information to the DMIs yet on the Met line. Other lines have different systems, I believe.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2011 12:32:24 GMT
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Post by causton on May 13, 2011 18:22:08 GMT
I believe the issue may be getting the feeds to the DMIs, not generating the data for them... could be wrong though. In either case could always have a screen on the platform showing the TfL live departure board page for that station refreshing (not unlike the Edgware Road system of having a CCTV screen on the platform showing a feed of the 4 DMIs at the top!)
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Post by citysig on May 13, 2011 21:08:07 GMT
The DMIs on stations are (currently) fed using equipment fed from Signal Cabins and Control Rooms. Control rooms are normally equipped to supply such information, however older signal cabins may not always have such equipment.
The majority of tubelines are controlled (either entirely or almost entirely) from control rooms with such equipment. The sub-surface lines are controlled from a mixture of signal cabins (with or without such equipment) and control rooms.
The feeds you see online are taken from an entirely different area - that being an internal program called "Trackernet." This is a combine-wide program which maps train running information and on the whole does a good job. However, for areas that don't currently display train descriptions (what is shown on the DMI) or track circuit information, it attempts to make a "best guess" as to the arrival of a train based on what it has seen previously enter the "black holes" we have on our signalling system.
Yes, Trackernet could (and has been) linked to the DMIs, but you first of all need the DMIs themselves (expensive if not already installed) and you need Trackernet to be much more reliable if you're not going to incur complaints the first time it predicts something wrongly. You'll have to wait for the new signalling for everything to be updated, installed and modernised ;D
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Post by A60stock on May 14, 2011 20:48:11 GMT
what about at least the stations where the DMI's are already installed?
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 21:08:34 GMT
MetControl has already explained the reliability issues with Trackernet, sachil. It's more likely that TfL will get complaints about incorrect information than no information at all. Since I got a smartphone, it's been less of an issue for me, but I do note that Trackernet isn't quite as accurate on the Met as on other lines, for the reasons MetControl outlines. In any case, timetable frequencies are displayed at stations, so you should have a reasonable idea when a train is turning up, provided that a good service is running (information when delays are occurring are another topic!).
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Post by A60stock on May 19, 2011 20:02:02 GMT
they ought to get tht old 60's light box board workign again at chalfont! why did it get taken out of use?
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Post by A60stock on Aug 2, 2011 18:33:31 GMT
do the dmis on the east end of the district show any info? like from barking onwards?
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Post by peterc on Aug 2, 2011 19:25:26 GMT
I am usually pretty observant and I can't say that I have noticed it in 12 years commuting from C&L.
I had a look at the on-line departure board link which seems to think that there is a shuttle waiting forever in the bay.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2011 19:30:58 GMT
I am usually pretty observant and I can't say that I have noticed it in 12 years commuting from C&L. I had a look at the on-line departure board link which seems to think that there is a shuttle waiting forever in the bay. That's because the track fuses for the bay are out meaning it thinks there's a train there.
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Post by abe on Aug 3, 2011 7:19:31 GMT
I don't recall a light-box indicator at Chalfont. There is one at Chorleywood southbound however. It won't be brought back into use as it was manually operated from a bank of switches next to the original staff position on the platform. Given that the staff there are pretty good at announcing problems (and there is a big timetable notice on the platform right next to the gates) there would be no value in getting this sign working again.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2011 7:58:13 GMT
At Chorleywood, there is a poster on the London bound platform, that has the times of all the departures, not sure if this is common amongst all the stations concerned in this thread. Having staff operate the things there would be a pain as there didn't appear to be any staff there on saturday at 1930.
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