1972 stock refubishment

A refurb of a refurb - interesting idea!

they don't look too bad and the 73ts seems more dated than the 1996 and 1995 ts, 73's interior doesn't look bad or anything though.

I don't think there's that much in it! Except I went on a 73ts yesterday and all the seat coverings were baggy and loose and inflated with air below them when the train accelerated and they all deflated again when the train stopped!

The 73 stock has always bee prone to this if I recall correctly. More so than other stocks.

Don't see the need. They're comfortable and more than fit for purpose. In a climate where money is not to be wasted, the most these trains need is a deep clean.

Only thing missing is armrests, but these went a few years ago due to constant vandalism.

Yes, the 1972ts is in very bad condition internally, but whilst looking at some of the 'damage' they are very easy fixes. Mainly sorted with a damp cloth, some detergent, maybe some paint here or there.

What I meant by the 'easy fixes' was that, the causes of the dirt and lack of paint in some areas is because of lazyness to be honest. Compare the state of the 67ts and 72ts' a couple of months ago, the 67ts was in much better internal condition.

Yeah, so it is down to laziness

A full refurbishment of rolling stock is often intended to make the trains fit for purpose for a prolonged period of time (I.E. 15-20 years) over which time, the cost of the refurbishment is recouped. Surely with the 1972TS, such a refurbishment is unjustified and not cost effective as they are set to be dispensed with within the next 10 or so years. As has been mentioned, all that is required is a good clean and a lick of paint to make them look better and feel better from a passenger point of view, besides the fact I am a huge fan of the Tickford/Rosyth refurbishment and think it looks great on both the 67 and 72TS.

I assume thats why the seating layout was unchanged, also many original fittings are still in place such as draft screens etc. I also heard that nothing was refurbished underframe wise.

Hmm walkthrough carriages would have to mean air-conditioning or perhaps the best invention of all time...windows that you can open!

I second that. They have a retro feel but are in pretty good condition.

The colour mixture of ivory and brown is very soft and together makes the interiors look more welcoming in my opinion. I thought the blue on the 67's looked fairly modern but made the interior look slightly more stark than the 72's, not helped by the completely underground journeys however.
Today I did notice a couple of blue ventilator switches on the 72's aswell so it looks like they have pooled some spares from the 67's.

I wasnt saying the brown was a bad thing, I think its nice but made it look older than it actually is.

There are black Ventilator switches on some ex-MKI units, were these from some sort of Northern themed refurb? You can see the grab poles have been roughly painted brown on these units as you can see brush strokes with black underneath the brown coat.

I think the brown does meet regulations, as after all brown does contrast with ivory doesnt it?!