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Post by Hutch on Apr 27, 2011 17:29:57 GMT
I have just come across the following in a 1931 Railway Magazine and though it might be of interest to the forum. Uxbridge is still a valid destination - so is Southend!  I hope everyone can read it - much reduced to fit with Rule  . Osborne (1931) Railway Magazine, v. 68 (406), p. 289. |
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Post by Oracle on Apr 27, 2011 20:11:11 GMT
Note the confirmation of the LMS coal trains to and from Brent to High Street Ken and to West Ken.
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Post by phillw48 on Apr 27, 2011 21:40:06 GMT
I have a copy of that Railway Magazine! In fact I have copies from 1928 to 1939 inclusive.
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Post by mrfs42 on Apr 27, 2011 22:30:11 GMT
There are other code lists - I must have several in WTTs - should get round to webbing up a comprehensive set one day. Perhaps TP has most on his site.
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Post by mrfs42 on Apr 27, 2011 22:31:26 GMT
Oh yes - note CHX being SuO.
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Post by tubeprune on Apr 28, 2011 7:53:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2011 14:24:13 GMT
My thanks for posting the information and link. It's led me to taking a look at the TP web pages where there is much good explanation on the subject, though clear that Metropolitan information is unavailable.
This thread gives an excuse for me to enquire about Metropolitan headcodes, for future modelling of saloon and electric stock. I've only encountered small pieces of information so far.
I've seen a Moorgate via Widened Lines headcode listed in the Met Section 4 WTT, and I've seen drawings of the 1931 Stock cab with provision to show different colours for all the three running lights. In addition, I was told by an ex-Met Railway relative that the H&C service headcode included a purple light above the centre door.
Are there any more sources or clues out there?
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Post by tubeprune on Apr 28, 2011 15:45:08 GMT
My thanks for posting the information and link. It's led me to taking a look at the TP web pages where there is much good explanation on the subject, though clear that Metropolitan information is unavailable. This thread gives an excuse for me to enquire about Metropolitan headcodes, for future modelling of saloon and electric stock. I've only encountered small pieces of information so far. I've seen a Moorgate via Widened Lines headcode listed in the Met Section 4 WTT, and I've seen drawings of the 1931 Stock cab with provision to show different colours for all the three running lights. In addition, I was told by an ex-Met Railway relative that the H&C service headcode included a purple light above the centre door.
Are there any more sources or clues out there?
There is a "Code of Head Lights" in the Metropolitan Railway Appendix to the Working Time Table, 1st August 1921, pp44-46. A facsimile reprint of it is (was?) available from Dragonwheel Books. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2011 16:59:49 GMT
Many thanks to TP for the swift and specific reply. Will return the favour someday! Book search will be under way soon.
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Post by mrfs42 on Apr 28, 2011 17:42:42 GMT
I'm sure I've webbed up some 1906 Met headcodes...
*tinkers around on the web*
EDIT: No - It was the 1938 WTT of the same number, not the 1906 one.
I'll have a look on my spare machine as I'm currently in the spare house, the images might be sat on there - if not it'll have to wait for me to return back East in a week or so.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2011 20:55:31 GMT
Slightly off topic but where drivers expected to replace faulty head code lamps if they failed in service?
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Post by tubeprune on Apr 29, 2011 6:41:10 GMT
Slightly off topic but where drivers expected to replace faulty head code lamps if they failed in service? There weren't usually any spare bulbs on the train. On the Q Stock they were 125volt bulbs but on the CP and R Stocks they were 50volt. Drivers (we were actually called "motormen" then) just put out a call for a fitter. |
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Post by roythebus on Apr 29, 2011 7:27:22 GMT
On Q stock, the motorman had to change the bulb or there would be no headcode lamps at all as they were wired in series across the traction current! that would also mean no cab light or no gauge glass light, as these were switched alternately across the series circuit.
Later stock it was the fitter's job!
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Post by Hutch on Apr 29, 2011 12:45:51 GMT
Being wired in series, I take it that the lights were always on but selectively shuttered to hide specific lamps and create the head-code.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Apr 29, 2011 16:22:59 GMT
Being wired in series, I take it that the lights were always on but selectively shuttered to hide specific lamps and create the head-code. Photographs show this to have been the case - the shutters were more obvious on older stock, where they were external - more recent stock had them recessed into the bodywork. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2011 19:50:43 GMT
Series wiring all the lamps seems crazy these days but I guess back then it was the most practical solution.
What problems arose from displaying an incorrect head code (either due to a fault or error) and how was the motorman informed?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Apr 29, 2011 21:26:44 GMT
What problems arose from displaying an incorrect head code (either due to a fault or error) and how was the motorman informed? I imagine if the wrong headcode was shown a train might be misrouted. But if the lights were wired in series the only way a worng headcode (rather than none at all) could be shown would be if a shutter fell off |
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