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Post by edwardfox on Apr 24, 2011 9:21:21 GMT
The Brixton riot is said to have grown out of an innocuous event at around 5:15PM on Friday 10th April 1981. Serious disturbance occurred throughout the Friday night and most of Saturday.
It is said that the police had no strategy for this type of situation and so disturbances continued until very late on the Saturday night, eventually calming down in the early hours of Sunday morning.
How did London Transport initially react to the situation? Were they as unprepared as the police? At what stage was Brixton Station itself shut down, and when was it reopened? Were any LT employees injured during the disturbances and was there any damage to LT property?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2011 9:35:31 GMT
Brixton LT station was closed from 18.30 on Saturday 11/4/81, throughout Sunday 12/4/81 but reopened from the start of traffic on Monday 13/4/81. Victoria Line trains detrained at Stockwell and ran empty to and from Brixton.
On the Saturday night, both trains that stable overnight at Brixton were 'manned' so that they could be used at short notice to convey police between Brixton and Victoria. One such was used, departing Brixton at 01.15 for Victoria. It returned to Brixton at 06.30 Sunday morning to form its timetabled working (empty, of course, Brixton to Stockwell).
That's about all I can offer.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2011 21:02:16 GMT
I wonder how much the Met would have paid LT for the use of that train?
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Post by superteacher on Apr 24, 2011 21:30:51 GMT
I wonder how much the Met would have paid LT for the use of that train? Would they have paid at all? It was all out of the public purse back in those days anyway! To be honest, the only expense would have been the train driver. Not sure if they had night turns on the Vic back then. If they did, then there wouldn't really have been any additional expense in running the train. |
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Post by 21146 on Apr 24, 2011 22:14:48 GMT
I wonder how much the Met would have paid LT for the use of that train? Would they have paid at all? It was all out of the public purse back in those days anyway! To be honest, the only expense would have been the train driver. Not sure if they had night turns on the Vic back then. If they did, then there wouldn't really have been any additional expense in running the train. Nowadays, would the staff even agree to do it? Either for "Health & Safety" or "political" reasons? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2011 6:55:33 GMT
I'm sure Bob Crow would have a thing to say about it!
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Post by DWS on Apr 25, 2011 7:48:08 GMT
I'm sure Bob Crow would have a thing to say about it! Please remember all Train Operators are not in Bob Crow's union  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2011 7:54:07 GMT
Oh I know, but you know what he's like. He's like a tramp on chips!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2011 9:58:19 GMT
I would think that "if push came to shove" a train could be comandeered in an emergency and it would just be done. Questions might be asked afterwards though ......
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Post by railtechnician on Apr 25, 2011 12:41:40 GMT
I would think that "if push came to shove" a train could be comandeered in an emergency and it would just be done. Questions might be asked afterwards though ...... Absolutely, commandeering a train is not a big deal, all that is really required is the controller to agree to it although the driver might object if s/he felt it was unsafe for some reason. Not quite the same I know but I've been on trains commandeered for one reason or another, one occasion was the commandeering of the first car of a Picc passenger train in service for us to deliver signal equipment to trackside in emergency, another was on the H&C when BTP were in pursuit of thieves who had run down the tunnel towards Farringdon from King's Cross one afternoon. On both these occasions the driver worked to 'local instructions' when requested to do so by the controller. Of course out of service passenger trains get used for other purposes too, we had a series of such trains in engineering hours on successive weekends on the Northern line a few years ago (late 1980s) to set up the trial Victoria line radio system, much easier to do work on the amplifiers from a train, opening doors as required in the tunnels with nice car lighting than using shank's pony and torches! |
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Post by railtechnician on Apr 25, 2011 12:43:47 GMT
Would they have paid at all? It was all out of the public purse back in those days anyway! To be honest, the only expense would have been the train driver. Not sure if they had night turns on the Vic back then. If they did, then there wouldn't really have been any additional expense in running the train. Nowadays, would the staff even agree to do it? Either for "Health & Safety" or "political" reasons? H&S concerns are valid, political reasons are not! |
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Post by jacko1 on May 31, 2011 21:21:53 GMT
a bit like in br days when i was at ripple lane.we used to work the "skinhead specials" from southend central to barking on bank holidays,for the police to remove trouble makers away from southend. normally a class 31 or 47 with stock. essex police used to round the yobs up and march them to the station.here,bt police took over,and locked them in the mk 1s coaches,.we were booked to depart about 1600,so those rounded up early had a long wait in the train. i remember one hot august bh,we had a train full by 1300. the btp inspector asked us ifwe would start up the steam heating to keep the yobs quite,as they were shouting.a hour of good steam through the train soon shut them up!we also ran fast to barking,even if they wanted another station.i expect nowdays it would be against the little darlings human rights!  |
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Post by Bighat on May 31, 2011 22:29:49 GMT
a bit like in br days when i was at ripple lane.we used to work the "skinhead specials" from southend central to barking on bank holidays,for the police to remove trouble makers away from southend. normally a class 31 or 47 with stock. essex police used to round the yobs up and march them to the station.here,bt police took over,and locked them in the mk 1s coaches,.we were booked to depart about 1600,so those rounded up early had a long wait in the train. i remember one hot august bh,we had a train full by 1300. the btp inspector asked us ifwe would start up the steam heating to keep the yobs quite,as they were shouting.a hour of good steam through the train soon shut them up!we also ran fast to barking,even if they wanted another station.i expect nowdays it would be against the little darlings human rights! Now THAT'S what I call kettling! |
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Post by Ben on Jun 1, 2011 2:35:07 GMT
If only that were 50 years ago, it could have had a kettle on the front too!
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Post by peterc on Jun 10, 2011 23:07:50 GMT
Totally irrelevant to the previous posts but just afer the Brixton riot I was travelling into Fenchurch Street and two elderly ladies sitting opposite were talking and one said "we didn't have riots before the war!" and I looked out of the window into Cable Street.
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