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Post by littlebrute on Apr 22, 2011 13:28:23 GMT
I noticed on my travels to Uxbridge on Tuesday evening during the Jubilee Line disruption, that the Met still has platforms at Neasden, in fact the train stopped there for about 2 minutes without opening its doors. What is it stopping the platforms being used a la Willesden Green during Jubilee line disruption? Or even bringing them back into permanent use along with Willesden Green on slow trains?
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Post by causton on Apr 22, 2011 13:46:32 GMT
I think the platforms aren't used at Neasden as it is just one stop away from Wembley Park and so it won't take too long to double back to there to catch the Met. Willesden Green is much further away from a normal Met stopping station!
Perhaps the driver stopped at Neasden to pick up a T/op or other staff member from Neasden depot (or perhaps there was a train just in front of it!)
Regarding your second question, I don't think the Met needs more stops. The purpose of the Met at that point is to get quickly between Baker Street and Wembley Park.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2011 13:50:49 GMT
Through there, there's no such thing as slow or fast.
The Met is only double-track at that point, not the double-tracking that starts at Wembley.
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Post by metrailway on Apr 22, 2011 14:34:09 GMT
The reason the platforms are not used at Neasden during Jubilee Line closures is due to the fact that the northbound platform (platform 1) doesn't have a proper exit! The stairs to the station building are unsafe to use for passengers I believe, so if any detrainments happen on platform 1, passengers have to go via the depot subway at the north end of the platform to reach platforms 2 and 3 and then head to the station building.
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Post by citysig on Apr 23, 2011 10:04:12 GMT
Neasden can be used (and indeed was used by a couple of trains on the southbound on Wednesday morning during Jubilee Line problems).
The problem with both Willesden and Neasden is that both platforms need to be properly staffed due to length and also a couple of OPO camera issues. On top of that, stopping at both when the normal timetable is in operation tends to have a disastrous effect on the service. The signalling is much more spaced out on the Met - to provide the higher speeds we run at. The drawback to this is reduced line capacity. So if a train stops at Neasden, the next train is held back more or less just north of Willesden Green.
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Post by littlebrute on Apr 23, 2011 11:56:11 GMT
Ooh right. How often is it Neasden is actually used?
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Post by t697 on Apr 23, 2011 19:17:04 GMT
Neasden can be used (and indeed was used by a couple of trains on the southbound on Wednesday morning during Jubilee Line problems). The problem with both Willesden and Neasden is that both platforms need to be properly staffed due to length and also a couple of OPO camera issues. On top of that, stopping at both when the normal timetable is in operation tends to have a disastrous effect on the service. The signalling is much more spaced out on the Met - to provide the higher speeds we run at. The drawback to this is reduced line capacity. So if a train stops at Neasden, the next train is held back more or less just north of Willesden Green. These two stations are equipped with Stop Marks, OPO TTCCTV and CSDE/SDO for S stock, so these emergency/degraded service/special stops can still happen. SDO cuts out appropriate doors at the short platforms. The on train CIS doesn't know about Neasden and Willesden Green though, so expect some driver PA on such occasions. |
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Post by causton on Apr 23, 2011 19:51:32 GMT
The on train CIS doesn't know about Neasden and Willesden Green though, so expect some driver PA on such occasions. Really? Seems like a bit of an oversight, I mean it's not as if they are used frequently but I thought Willesden Green would have been included at least. Might be a bit confusing to get on an S-stock at BST and it says 'the next stop is Wembley Park' - the passenger would probably get off and wait for a train that announces next stop Willesden Green. Anything I'm missing here? |
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Post by t697 on Apr 23, 2011 20:12:58 GMT
Quite often the train would already have left Wembley Park or Finchley Road before being asked to make the extra stop(s). You can't reset the CIS destination at speed - to minimise driver distraction - so quite often an automatic announcement wouldn't be used even if they were available. LU operational standards and practice currently prescribe the personal touch (driver PA) for this type of event. Fashions do change of course.
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