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Post by kabsonline on Apr 22, 2011 12:07:51 GMT
I was by the Met Line today between Amersham and Chalfont and saw an Amersham bound A Stock with Harrow displayed as its destination. Isn't this confusing for passengers who do not use the line on a regular basis?  |
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Post by cso on Apr 22, 2011 12:14:19 GMT
If you were between Amersham and Chalfont, then it's possible that the driver changed his destination blind on departure from Chalftont as the next station is Amersham - and noone is going to be using the departure blind after that point to work out where the train is going North.
When it arrives at Amersham, it's next destination is going to be Harrow, so it makes sense to do it then I'd have said.
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Post by kabsonline on Apr 22, 2011 12:15:28 GMT
does that normally happen though? The train still has Amersham to stop at first.
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Post by trc666 on Apr 22, 2011 12:16:17 GMT
Could have just had it up by mistake when changing the blinds.
These are the blinds that A60/62 stock can display:
(blank red panel)
SPECIAL
SORRY NOT IN SERVICE
FAST ALDGATE
FAST AMERSHAM
FAST BAKER ST
ALDGATE
AMERSHAM
BAKER ST
CHALFONT
CHESHAM
FARRINGDON
HARROW
HILLINGDON
KINGS CROSS
LIVERPOOL STREET
MOORGATE
NEASDEN
NORTHWOOD
RAYNERS LANE
RICKMANSWORTH
RUISLIP
UXBRIDGE
WATFORD
WEMBLEY PARK
NEW CROSS
NEW CROSS GATE
SHOREDITCH
SURREY QUAYS
WHITECHAPEL
* Edited as I incorrectly put in the 1990s list.
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Post by cso on Apr 22, 2011 12:22:40 GMT
I've seen it happen on buses more-so than on trains, to be honest... but I can't see why it wouldn't be a possibility. Would also mean that we couldn't moan about the blinds being different at Front and Back  |
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Post by kabsonline on Apr 22, 2011 12:27:01 GMT
Harrow is not on the list.
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Post by cso on Apr 22, 2011 12:35:17 GMT
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Post by setttt on Apr 22, 2011 12:36:46 GMT
If you were between Amersham and Chalfont, then it's possible that the driver changed his destination blind on departure from Chalftont as the next station is Amersham - and noone is going to be using the departure blind after that point to work out where the train is going North. When it arrives at Amersham, it's next destination is going to be Harrow, so it makes sense to do it then I'd have said. That is the likely reason, and good practice on the driver's part. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2011 12:54:46 GMT
Could have just had it up by mistake when changing the blinds. These are the blinds that A60/62 stock can display: (blank red panel) SPECIAL SORRY NOT IN SERVICE FAST ALDGATE FAST AMERSHAM FAST BAKER ST ALDGATE AMERSHAM BAKER ST CHALFONT CHESHAM FARRINGDON HILLINGDON KINGS CROSS LIVERPOOL STREET MOORGATE NEASDEN NORTHWOOD RAYNERS LANE RICKMANSWORTH RUISLIP UXBRIDGE WATFORD WEMBLEY PARK NEW CROSS NEW CROSS GATE SHOREDITCH SURREY QUAYS WHITECHAPEL * Edited as I incorrectly put in the 1990s list. When would the "special" be used, as opposed to "sorry not in service", or is this up to the train operator? Does anyone know the last known occurrence of a Met line train being turned at: Kings Cross Neasden Liverpool Street Farringdon Hillingdon? I've never known Met line services to terminate at these locations, or are these just "rusty rail" moves? |
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Post by trc666 on Apr 22, 2011 15:03:15 GMT
I'm guessing Special would be used for a non-standard terminating point (like Willesden Green, Barbican, Edgware Road, South Harrow that sort of thing), or perhaps a railtour / football special.
Farringdon reverse can't be done without shunting ahead of the station as the crossover is within the platforms and can only directly reverse a 6 car C stock east to west.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2011 15:38:42 GMT
Maybe 'Special' could be reserved for the 12th of June? ;D  |
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Post by superteacher on Apr 22, 2011 15:53:14 GMT
Since the bay platform at Liverpool Street was decommissioned, Met trains can only now reverse there outer rail to inner rail via the outer rail platform. The problem with this is that the A stock, when fully berthed in the platform, would be straddling the crossover. The train would have to go past the right road station starter so that when changing ends, the rear of the train is not fouling the crossover, and thus can be cleared by the wrong road starter. A very problematic move, and in any case the preferred option would be to reverse at Moorgate. The move descrobed at Liverpool Street would never be planned in advance, so I'd say the chance of seeing a Liverpool Street destination on the blind would be zero!
The same would apply with Farringdon.
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Post by jmm on Apr 22, 2011 16:40:44 GMT
How is the destination blind changed in the S Stock? Is it changed manually or automatically?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2011 16:53:04 GMT
There isn't a destination blind in the S stock but dot matrix LED displays!
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Post by ruislip on Apr 22, 2011 16:57:36 GMT
Could have just had it up by mistake when changing the blinds. These are the blinds that A60/62 stock can display: (blank red panel) SPECIAL SORRY NOT IN SERVICE FAST ALDGATE FAST AMERSHAM FAST BAKER ST ALDGATE AMERSHAM BAKER ST CHALFONT CHESHAM FARRINGDON HILLINGDON KINGS CROSS LIVERPOOL STREET MOORGATE NEASDEN NORTHWOOD RAYNERS LANE RICKMANSWORTH RUISLIP UXBRIDGE WATFORD WEMBLEY PARK NEW CROSS NEW CROSS GATE SHOREDITCH SURREY QUAYS WHITECHAPEL * Edited as I incorrectly put in the 1990s list. When would the "special" be used, as opposed to "sorry not in service", or is this up to the train operator? Does anyone know the last known occurrence of a Met line train being turned at: Kings Cross Neasden Liverpool Street Farringdon Hillingdon? I've never known Met line services to terminate at these locations, or are these just "rusty rail" moves? Hillingdon would be feasable, for trains could run right into Uxbridge sidings. I think years ago the Piccy did that with some peak time workings. |
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Post by 21146 on Apr 22, 2011 17:12:53 GMT
Since the bay platform at Liverpool Street was decommissioned, Met trains can only now reverse there outer rail to inner rail via the outer rail platform. The problem with this is that the A stock, when fully berthed in the platform, would be straddling the crossover. The train would have to go past the right road station starter so that when changing ends, the rear of the train is not fouling the crossover, and thus can be cleared by the wrong road starter. A very problematic move, and in any case the preferred option would be to reverse at Moorgate. The move descrobed at Liverpool Street would never be planned in advance, so I'd say the chance of seeing a Liverpool Street destination on the blind would be zero! The same would apply with Farringdon. I suppose Liverpool Street could appear if trains continued empty to reverse at Aldgate (i.e. during engineering work preventing public access to the latter). Not likely though. |
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Post by jmm on Apr 22, 2011 17:13:20 GMT
Well, that's what I was referring to. How do they change the dot matrix displays?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2011 17:46:30 GMT
I presume that it would be linked in to the DVA controls, as the CIS.
Would be nice for someone to elaborate though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2011 18:29:32 GMT
I presume that it would be linked in to the DVA controls, as the CIS. On the A60/62 trains? ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2011 18:31:27 GMT
I presume that it would be linked in to the DVA controls, as the CIS. On the A60/62 trains? ;D No idea where you got that one from... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2011 18:32:22 GMT
Some time ago, they had Liverpool Street - Tower Hill shut down for engineering works. Was quite interesting to see trains leaving for Hammersmith leaving from the outer rail platform, and using that crossover. Quite interesting, in the fact that there is a strip of metal welded to the top of the rails, or was... so there was a loud juddering as the train traversed said crossover.
The DVA was working fine, announcing Liverpool Street. Don't remember anything special about the DMI's or CIS screens there.
DMI's can be changed in the Control room at the station, short messages can be added to scroll on the bottom, but the actual destinations would be linked in with the Timetable.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2011 18:36:13 GMT
Art, the DMI/CIS in reference here is that fitted to the chilly pipe that is the S stock  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2011 20:31:24 GMT
DMI's can be changed in the Control room at the station, short messages can be added to scroll on the bottom...... Thats a common feature to the Central Line and to stations with some form of station management system. Stations with no form of station management system can't add a message to the DMI's. |
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Post by uzairjubilee on Apr 22, 2011 21:33:38 GMT
Going slightly off topic, I remember that video someone linked in a different thread with an S8 announcing Circle line destinations. I noticed that the DVA said "...to Liverpool Street. Please change where necessary" That new addition is good isn't it! At least it sort of lets non regulars know that (in this example), Liverpool Street is an intermediate destination.
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Post by citysig on Apr 23, 2011 9:59:36 GMT
Does anyone know the last known occurrence of a Met line train being turned at: Kings Cross Neasden Liverpool Street Farringdon Hillingdon? I've never known Met line services to terminate at these locations, or are these just "rusty rail" moves? King's Cross - last Tuesday, when the Jubilee line suffered severe problems, and the Met had to be suspended for a time. The train reversed west to east at King's Cross. Hillingdon - last Tuesday, after the above mentioned problems, 2 Met trains ran Aldgate-Hillingdon before detraining to Uxbridge sidings and stabling there. Somewhere in the A60 scrapping thread (I think) there's mention of the train that broke down at Aldgate and became the Northwood scrap train. On that day an A60 was reversed at Liverpool Street - this is the last time I had one do so on my shift anyway. Neasden - around 3-4 weekends ago when Neasden depot had an engineering possession at the north end of the depot, I had a few A60s travel to Neasden to access the depot. Ok, so the final 2 above were done as empty stock moves, and not in service, but you didn't specify whether trains should be in service or not in your question ;D ;D |
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Post by ruislip on Apr 23, 2011 15:36:14 GMT
Could have just had it up by mistake when changing the blinds. These are the blinds that A60/62 stock can display: (blank red panel) SPECIAL SORRY NOT IN SERVICE FAST ALDGATE FAST AMERSHAM FAST BAKER ST ALDGATE AMERSHAM BAKER ST CHALFONT CHESHAM FARRINGDON HARROW HILLINGDON KINGS CROSS LIVERPOOL STREET MOORGATE NEASDEN NORTHWOOD RAYNERS LANE RICKMANSWORTH RUISLIP UXBRIDGE WATFORD WEMBLEY PARK NEW CROSS NEW CROSS GATE SHOREDITCH SURREY QUAYS WHITECHAPEL * Edited as I incorrectly put in the 1990s list. 1) Was Neasden ever used as an in-service destination for end-of-peak trips from Baker St or the City for trains going to Neasden Depot for stabling? 2) When did the "FAST" addendum begin accompaning services to/from Amersham/Chesham? 3) Was "SEMI" ever considered as a destination blind for semi-fast services? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2011 18:48:44 GMT
Does anyone know the last known occurrence of a Met line train being turned at: Kings Cross Neasden Liverpool Street Farringdon Hillingdon? I've never known Met line services to terminate at these locations, or are these just "rusty rail" moves? King's Cross - last Tuesday, when the Jubilee line suffered severe problems, and the Met had to be suspended for a time. The train reversed west to east at King's Cross. Hillingdon - last Tuesday, after the above mentioned problems, 2 Met trains ran Aldgate-Hillingdon before detraining to Uxbridge sidings and stabling there. Somewhere in the A60 scrapping thread (I think) there's mention of the train that broke down at Aldgate and became the Northwood scrap train. On that day an A60 was reversed at Liverpool Street - this is the last time I had one do so on my shift anyway. Neasden - around 3-4 weekends ago when Neasden depot had an engineering possession at the north end of the depot, I had a few A60s travel to Neasden to access the depot. Ok, so the final 2 above were done as empty stock moves, and not in service, but you didn't specify whether trains should be in service or not in your question ;D ;D Is Hillingdon a common reversing point as i have seen that often after the morning peak?? |
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Post by citysig on Apr 25, 2011 14:38:08 GMT
There are no booked service trains that terminate Hillingdon, however there is one empty stock move that stables in Uxbridge at the end of the morning peak - running empty from Harrow and direct to the sidings from Hillingdon.
However, in the event of a gap in the service, this train can be run in service all the way to Hillingdon.
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