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Post by superteacher on Apr 20, 2011 23:13:51 GMT
Was back on my old stomping ground, the Central line this afternoon. All went belly up, first with a fire alert on a train at Leyton which suspended the line from Leytonstone to Liverpool Street. However, the train I was on at Newbury Park didn't move for over 30 minutes, so the line was effectively suspended east of Leytonstone too while the controller decided what he was going to do with the trains . . .
Once this had been sorted, there was a defective train at Bond Street, which delayed the westbound service again. The train I was on (set number 102) was by now nearly an hour late, so was reversed at Holborn. The train behind pulled in, and was waiting at a red signal, presumably for the train in front to fully berth in British Museum siding. This seemed to take rather a long time, so I wandered up to the front and had a chat with the driver. I told him about my previous experience at Holborn, when a train went into the siding and they couldn't reset the points. Just as I was saying that, the controller says over the radio that there is a points failure - at Holborn! As you can imagine, the driver and I had a little chuckle about that one!
It was "severe delays" on the Central for the rest of the day.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2011 8:42:47 GMT
Well the Jubbly's been getting all the attention recently and we felt neglected......
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Post by auxsetreq on Apr 21, 2011 10:29:48 GMT
What a weird day it was. After weeks of providing the usual-to-the-second service everything went wrong within the space of a few hours. At one point the juice was discharged at The Street for some reason or other. Never found out why. Wood Lane were at their absolute "best" - Hardly any information at all. " Please keep radio traffic to the bare minimum, while we sort it out" The irritating Line information assistant went all quite too ( there is a God ). Except to tell us about *minor delays* on the Picc due to a trespasser on the track at Boston Manor. All very good, but can you please tell me why I've been stuck in the tunnel on a packed train for over twenty minutes and I'm getting no updates whatsoever?
By the time the emergency timetable was implemented it was so tits up that everyone that has two of anything crossed them and hoped for the best. Fingers, eyes, legs, arms, toes, ears, nostrils, cheeks upper and lower, nips moobs n bollox...........which it all was...............................mint?
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Post by superteacher on Apr 21, 2011 10:43:24 GMT
Thry do seem to take much longer dealing with problems than was the case a few years ago. On the Central yesterday, the train at Leyton which had the fire alert caused a suspension of service between Liverpool Street and Leytonstone. Fair enough, the issue needed to be investigated by the LFB. But the service message was misleading, stating that the service was only suspended between Liverpool Street and Leytonstone. This implies that passengers could get at least as far as Leytonstone, but trains were just held in platforms on the approach to Leytonstone for over 40 minutes, at least on the outer rail of the Hainault loop.
It is now common practice to hold trains in platforms and then move them up a station at a time when there is a problem ahead. I agree with this, since it is far better than letting trains sit in tunnels. But, it seems, they don't always act quickly enough to reverse teains, and get them out of the way.
So what do they all do in their state of the art control centre at Wood Lane? They have all these facilities to reverse trains at the tough of a button, provide direct announcements to passengers on platforms, yet they don't seem to bother.
The train I was on at Newbury Park sat there for 40 minutes.The driver was very apologetic, saying that he doesn't know why the trains aren't moving. Eventually, he was told to change ends and take the train out of service to Hainault depot. 10 minutes later, he was back down the other end again!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2011 18:06:07 GMT
Saw the little apology letter for yesterdays troubles in the booking hall at Marble Arch, Auxsetreq is absolutely right, I do find it slightly worrying that trains are being allowed to be stuck in tunnels and no info is passed to drivers through the radio, isnt that what they are there for? and isnt that why tfl want to make their train ops make pa's how ever often? In this time of such heightend security, when a train full of pax stops in a tunnel especially in this weather, people look up...
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Post by version3point1 on Apr 21, 2011 19:49:33 GMT
By the time the emergency timetable was implemented it was so tits up that everyone that has two of anything crossed them and hoped for the best. Fingers, eyes, legs, arms, toes, ears, nostrils, cheeks upper and lower, nips moobs n bollox...........which it all was...............................mint? Hoping for the best when you see a train running 205 late and they're trying their hardest to implement a shuttle service between North Acton and the west branches. Ha!
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Post by Bighat on Apr 21, 2011 19:50:45 GMT
Saw the little apology letter for yesterdays troubles in the booking hall at Marble Arch, Auxsetreq is absolutely right, I do find it slightly worrying that trains are being allowed to be stuck in tunnels and no info is passed to drivers through the radio, isnt that what they are there for? and isnt that why tfl want to make their train ops make pa's how ever often? In this time of such heightend security, when a train full of pax stops in a tunnel especially in this weather, people look up... As did I on a strategically placed board at my local station, Redbridge. Trying to get back there last evening, just after the Bond Street fiasco proved difficult, as the first FIVE trains were either Leytonstone OR Epping! Worse still, service interval was only about every 7 minutes, and this was at 17:30 hrs. WTF? No, sod the 'planned improvements'! We have been suckered with that for too long, good old Tim O'Toole WAS very convincing, now he's at First I think, on the buses! lets hope Leon Daniels can bring a little more common sense to all this in his new position. Welcome to the madhouse Leon! STOP trying to 'upgrade', certainly before and until we get what we already have, working PROPERLY. THEN, and ONLY then, can we even seriously begin to consider how, or rather IF, things can be improved. Frankly I don't give a flying whatsname if my journey takes 43 minutes, I shan't fret that its not going down to 41; just so long as the bloody train DOES actually arrive, on time and with at least a semblance of comfort (even if that means standing), every time, come hell or high water! LU's little book of plausible excuses is now getting rather thread bare, and Joe Public has HAD ENOUGH! *Rant over*
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2011 6:41:49 GMT
In February 2009 Tim O’Toole, CBE, handed in his resignation as managing director of LUL, saying that he wanted to spend more time with his family in the USA then in November 2010 he was appointed Chief Executive of First Group.
First Group runs trains in the UK and buses in the UK and six other countries.
Leon Daniels is TfL’s new managing director for surface transport, having previously been First Group’s UK Bus Customer Service and Communications Director. He replaces Dave Brown who is now Go-Ahead’s Group Chief Executive.
TfL’s surface transport covers buses, the PCO, the congestion charge, Victoria Coach Station, Boris Bikes, major roads and river services. Nothing to do with the Tube.
Expect nothing to change in the next few years, those in charge are only interested in gimmicks that they think will distract the masses from the real problems.
In October 2009 Tfl announced that it was cancelling lifts at Amersham, Greenford, Ladbroke Grove, Newbury Park, Osterley and West Kensington because of lack of funds after £25m had already been spent on the installation work.
Now Boris is going to splash out £40m of taxpayers’ money on a cable car across the Thames which he previously promised would only be built with private funding.
Joe Public voted him in, if he wants someone to blame I'd try looking in the mirror.
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Post by railtechnician on Apr 22, 2011 7:24:39 GMT
In February 2009 Tim O’Toole, CBE, handed in his resignation as managing director of LUL, saying that he wanted to spend more time with his family in the USA then in November 2010 he was appointed Chief Executive of First Group. First Group runs trains in the UK and buses in the UK and six other countries. Leon Daniels is TfL’s new managing director for surface transport, having previously been First Group’s UK Bus Customer Service and Communications Director. He replaces Dave Brown who is now Go-Ahead’s Group Chief Executive. TfL’s surface transport covers buses, the PCO, the congestion charge, Victoria Coach Station, Boris Bikes, major roads and river services. Nothing to do with the Tube. Expect nothing to change in the next few years, those in charge are only interested in gimmicks that they think will distract the masses from the real problems. In October 2009 Tfl announced that it was cancelling lifts at Amersham, Greenford, Ladbroke Grove, Newbury Park, Osterley and West Kensington because of lack of funds after £25m had already been spent on the installation work. Now Boris is going to splash out £40m of taxpayers’ money on a cable car across the Thames which he previously promised would only be built with private funding. Joe Public voted him in, if he wants someone to blame I'd try looking in the mirror. The problem is not Boris but LUL, it has seemingly lost the ability to operate the railway as an efficient public service, excuses are the norm and Joe Public will have to pay ever increasing amounts to hear them. Like it or not there is a distinct lack of professionalism casting a shadow over the whole system these days.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2011 7:45:48 GMT
Boris is chairman of TfL so ultimately it is his responsibility. It was under his watch that Tim O’Toole left and Mike Brown returned, if things are ever going to change then we need to start at the top but currently we have the same people running things, all from the same boys' club, all thinking exactly the same.
It’s Boris’s administration that has been pushing through cuts and cancelling projects everywhere except on his little pet projects, bikes, routemaster replacement, cable cars. Everything else that has come in during his tenure, new LO trains, S stock, 09 stock, were all commissioned before 2008.
The Mayor of London is the only one who can instigate change at LUL and it would appear that the current incumbent isn’t interested in anything that won’t provide him with a photo op.
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Post by Bighat on Apr 22, 2011 8:10:03 GMT
Boris is chairman of TfL so ultimately it is his responsibility. It was under his watch that Tim O’Toole left and Mike Brown returned, if things are ever going to change then we need to start at the top but currently we have the same people running things, all from the same boys' club, all thinking exactly the same. It’s Boris’s administration that has been pushing through cuts and cancelling projects everywhere except on his little pet projects, bikes, routemaster replacement, cable cars. Everything else that has come in during his tenure, new LO trains, S stock, 09 stock, were all commissioned before 2008. The Mayor of London is the only one who can instigate change at LUL and it would appear that the current incumbent isn’t interested in anything that won’t provide him with a photo op. Don't forget that Leon Daniels joined TfL on Tuesday (from First) as Director of Surface Transport at TfL. Whilst Leon IS mainly a bus man, i can't see him standing idly by watching LU going to pot. Watch this space! edit: posted this before I saw your earlier, more detailed thread. Our only point of difference would appear to be who is the more/less cynical as to the outcome of these changes! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2011 9:41:40 GMT
Don't forget that Leon Daniels joined TfL on Tuesday (from First) as Director of Surface Transport at TfL. Whilst Leon IS mainly a bus man, i can't see him standing idly by watching LU going to pot. Watch this space! edit: posted this before I saw your earlier, more detailed thread. Our only point of difference would appear to be who is the more/less cynical as to the outcome of these changes! ;D ;D ;D TfL is divided into three directorates, London Undreground, London Rail (LO, DLR, Trams) and Surface Transport. Mike Brown is Director of London Underground and London Rail Leon Daniels is Director of Surface Transport. You say cynicism, I say knowledge.
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Post by North End on Apr 22, 2011 11:20:36 GMT
In February 2009 Tim O’Toole, CBE, handed in his resignation as managing director of LUL, saying that he wanted to spend more time with his family in the USA then in November 2010 he was appointed Chief Executive of First Group. First Group runs trains in the UK and buses in the UK and six other countries. Leon Daniels is TfL’s new managing director for surface transport, having previously been First Group’s UK Bus Customer Service and Communications Director. He replaces Dave Brown who is now Go-Ahead’s Group Chief Executive. TfL’s surface transport covers buses, the PCO, the congestion charge, Victoria Coach Station, Boris Bikes, major roads and river services. Nothing to do with the Tube. Expect nothing to change in the next few years, those in charge are only interested in gimmicks that they think will distract the masses from the real problems. In October 2009 Tfl announced that it was cancelling lifts at Amersham, Greenford, Ladbroke Grove, Newbury Park, Osterley and West Kensington because of lack of funds after £25m had already been spent on the installation work. Now Boris is going to splash out £40m of taxpayers’ money on a cable car across the Thames which he previously promised would only be built with private funding. Joe Public voted him in, if he wants someone to blame I'd try looking in the mirror. The problem is not Boris but LUL, it has seemingly lost the ability to operate the railway as an efficient public service, excuses are the norm and Joe Public will have to pay ever increasing amounts to hear them. Like it or not there is a distinct lack of professionalism casting a shadow over the whole system these days. Yes I wish we could separate out LUL and Boris. It's crazy to say that Boris has the power or ability to make any real difference to the day-to-day operation of LUL, just as it is crazy for him to come out and say he has that ability. In my opinion a lot of the problem with LUL at the moment is the obsession with "upgrades". If one looks at the Northern Line, it can be seen that good reliable day-to-day performance can be had without the need to spend millions.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2011 11:38:50 GMT
In my opinion a lot of the problem with LUL at the moment is the obsession with "upgrades". If one looks at the Northern Line, it can be seen that good reliable day-to-day performance can be had without the need to spend millions. I disagree. Some of the signalling equipment is very, very old and will need to be replaced at some point. Doing a half way house as we had upon the JLE opening isn't good and you can't keep repairing things indefinitely. My argument is basically, that at some point you've got to go whole hog and replace a signalling system. Having said that, the way the Jub signalling has been handled is a sham. But that in my humble opinion is largely down to the PPP contracts themselves and Tube lines de-scoping (cutting corners) for the sake of shareholder value. Counter this with the Vic upgrade (Tfl got direct control ovewr the running of the project before Metronet had the change to de-scope it) which has left the upgrade project running much more smoothly.
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Post by 21146 on Apr 22, 2011 12:19:18 GMT
Is the new Victoria Line signalling that much more reliable than TBTC? I mean has it actually been used in anger? I thought it couldn't be switched on until the last 1967 Tube stock has run?
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Post by cso on Apr 22, 2011 12:19:40 GMT
I assume the 09ts has been built with the new signalling in mind, rather than having it 'retro-fitted' like the '96ts on the Jub, so from that point of view, I'd have thought it would be more reliable?
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Post by 21146 on Apr 22, 2011 12:32:18 GMT
It's the response to failures that often proves the most wanting.
A recent signal failure on the District Line where a S/S refused point-blank to secure the route (three sets of points, single end only) because he claimed he was unfamiliar with the area.
This was despite the area being an open section straight piece of track and all visible from the platform. As a result passengers on one track were stalled between stations for an hour.
Would this sort of excuse have been tolerated in the days of London Transport?
Whereas the old Station Foreman and Station Inspector training courses concentrated on operating problems/rules and regulations, today's Station Supervisors seem to be primarily concerned with "customer care" and "people skills".
Thus it takes the arrival of a Duty Manager before anything gets moving these days, and even then, none too quickly.
Another downside is that there are far fewer staff around to respond to failures. Signallers who have to oversee large areas with multiple reversing points, as opposed a small cabin controlling just a local area, who can be overwhelmed in these instances.
And then there is the "more is less" phenomenon. Every train with a radio meaning that the Line Controller is bombarded with queries from drivers during incidents. The Connect system also allows drivers contact with signal boxes, so they too may be fielding numerous calls, whereas not every semi-automatic signal would have had a phone on it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2011 12:32:18 GMT
Is the new Victoria Line signalling that much more reliable than TBTC? I mean has it actually been used in anger? I thought it couldn't be switched on until the last 1967 Tube stock has run? Indeed, but the project is running on schedule, and to budget from what I gather. Let's compare to the Jub upgrade... Besides the 09 Stock will have been designed to operate under two different signally systems as will the 96 Stock as there were multiple different signalling systems on the Jub (pre and post JLE) and now TBTC.
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Post by DWS on Apr 22, 2011 14:25:19 GMT
It's the response to failures that often proves the most wanting. A recent signal failure on the District Line where a S/S refused point-blank to secure the route (three sets of points, single end only) because he claimed he was unfamiliar with the area. This was despite the area being an open section straight piece of track and all visible from the platform. As a result passengers on one track were stalled between stations for an hour. Would this sort of excuse have been tolerated in the days of London Transport? Whereas the old Station Foreman and Station Inspector training courses concentrated on operating problems/rules and regulations, today's Station Supervisors seem to be primarily concerned with "customer care" and "people skills". Thus it takes the arrival of a Duty Manager before anything gets moving these days, and even then, none too quickly. Another downside is that there are far fewer staff around to respond to failures. Signallers who have to oversee large areas with multiple reversing points, as opposed a small cabin controlling just a local area, who can be overwhelmed in these instances. And then there is the "more is less" phenomenon. Every train with a radio meaning that the Line Controller is bombarded with queries from drivers during incidents. The Connect system also allows drivers contact with signal boxes, so they too may be fielding numerous calls, whereas not every semi-automatic signal would have had a phone on it. Signal post Telephones on the Jubilee Line have been decomissioned by Tube Lines, this has been done with out any information being given to staff via the Traffic Circular
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Post by railtechnician on Apr 22, 2011 15:03:37 GMT
It's the response to failures that often proves the most wanting. A recent signal failure on the District Line where a S/S refused point-blank to secure the route (three sets of points, single end only) because he claimed he was unfamiliar with the area. This was despite the area being an open section straight piece of track and all visible from the platform. As a result passengers on one track were stalled between stations for an hour. Would this sort of excuse have been tolerated in the days of London Transport? Whereas the old Station Foreman and Station Inspector training courses concentrated on operating problems/rules and regulations, today's Station Supervisors seem to be primarily concerned with "customer care" and "people skills". Thus it takes the arrival of a Duty Manager before anything gets moving these days, and even then, none too quickly. Another downside is that there are far fewer staff around to respond to failures. Signallers who have to oversee large areas with multiple reversing points, as opposed a small cabin controlling just a local area, who can be overwhelmed in these instances. And then there is the "more is less" phenomenon. Every train with a radio meaning that the Line Controller is bombarded with queries from drivers during incidents. The Connect system also allows drivers contact with signal boxes, so they too may be fielding numerous calls, whereas not every semi-automatic signal would have had a phone on it. Ah yes 'progress' isn't necessarily so! Many times in the past I have suggested that station staff are not as professional as they used to be. I have refrained from using the word 'incompetent' because in all honesty one cannot expect an untrained person to be competent and my view of the operating division has long been that staff are promoted too quickly without having learnt all the ins and outs of dealing with the core business of operating a service as their predecessors would have done years ago, learning the business from a very young age and gaining both experience and practical knowledge. The classroom, no matter how well run, is a poor substitute for hands on knowledge and experience. Licensing, I'm afraid to say, is a double edged sword and does little to improve the competence of a competent person but can actually make an incompetent person appear to be competent in the short term. Practical ability cannot be properly taught in a classroom or wholly demonstrated in a 'friendly' environment which can allow borderline and lower abilities to gain a competence pass during assessment. It helps no-one to allow those who are not fully competent to gain a license, it doesn't help the licensee, it doesn't help the travelling public and it can make a laughing stock of the company. Clipping and scotching points to secure a route is not a difficult task but people make it into supervisory grades without ever having done it during an incident. In my time as a signal lineman I came across several station supervisors who should not have been in charge of stations when incidents occured. I recall supervisor who successfully clipped and scotched points in a tunnel between stations but seemed under severe stress when I arrived and enquired about the situation before dealing with the point failure. Though I asked only for details of the incident from his viewpoint he could only repeat while visibly shaking "Don't ask me to go in there again, I won't go, I'll book off, I'm not risking my life again". After liasing with all the parties and applying appropriate measures I was accompanied into an adjacent tunnel with trains running over the parallel secured route, the DMT had never been in a tunnel before so he walked six paces behind me just in case I got run over! On another occasion I dealt with a signal failure at a depot outlet, the station supervisor had failed to remove clips and scotches from turnouts even though he had an instruction in the station log to do so. He pleaded ignorance, the clips and scothes having been applied by a colleague on a previous shift. I think we would all respect the fact that a station supervisor job is not a 'cushy number' and is a multi faceted task. However, the idea of being licensed to any given location seems to supercede the idea that a properly learnt general principle can be universally applied with common sense, knowledge and experience. At the end of the day the legal eagles rule the roost now so it is always better to be safe than sorry because willingness, ability and competence mean absolutely nothing without a 'license', thus a license or lack thereof is also a convenient way to avoid performing a task ! In the good old days of LT much of what passes for 'railway operations' today would be viewed with scorn. Of course the argument is that the railway is much safer today than 40 years or more ago but I don't necessarily agree with that viewpoint because there are far fewer railwaymen now, the organisation bloated with managers who simply have never been and never will be 'railwaymen'!
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Post by railtechnician on Apr 22, 2011 15:19:11 GMT
And then there is the "more is less" phenomenon. Every train with a radio meaning that the Line Controller is bombarded with queries from drivers during incidents. The Connect system also allows drivers contact with signal boxes, so they too may be fielding numerous calls, whereas not every semi-automatic signal would have had a phone on it. Signal post Telephones on the Jubilee Line have been decomissioned by Tube Lines, this has been done with out any information being given to staff via the Traffic Circular Interesting, until I retired I was the chief maintainer of SPTs from Stanmore to Charing Cross. I did many of the original installations of AP electronics SPT equipment at these sites in the 1980s, I ended up maintaining them in my capacity as a Picc signal lineman when the Picc took over Jubilee line signal maintenance from the Bakerloo and Met. Up until the JLE project the SPTs were maintained by S,E & C but during the JLE project they were supposed to be replaced by the JLE team. The replacement didn't occur because the money ran out but the extant SPTs apparently went unmaintained for the years that JLE was supposed to be looking after them. Thus I had to find spares to keep the old kit working when they fell under my maintenance remit and that was not easy as AP went bust years ago so we had to beg parts from other lines that were replacing AP kit. The Met replaced its AP kit with new systems so I was able to keep Jubilee SPTs going for a while but the neglect of the JLE years meant that Jubilee SPTs were well past their sell by date and life expired with no project in place to replace them although I did keep them running. I have no doubt whatsoever that the commissioning of Connect radio saw the demise of Jubilee SPTs and I doubt that, that, decision would have been made without LUL knowledge and approval.
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Post by 21146 on Apr 22, 2011 15:24:45 GMT
I do wonder if the Supervisor I referred to had been moved against his will in the recent "800 jobs cut" changes, not properly familiarised, and was now getting his/her own back.
It was also interesting that this fact was either glossed over or omitted altogether in the relevant report/review posted on the LU intranet!
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Post by plasmid on Apr 22, 2011 16:33:35 GMT
This topic has drifted away from the original post so severely it might as well be put under all sections in this forum.
Any more input regarding the chaos on the Central Line would be sweet as.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2011 11:12:35 GMT
I do wonder if the Supervisor I referred to had been moved against his will in the recent "800 jobs cut" changes, not properly familiarised, and was now getting his/her own back. It was also interesting that this fact was either glossed over or omitted altogether in the relevant report/review posted on the LU intranet! More likely they sent an unfamiliarised Super to cover, maybe gave them a quick run round the station and then left them to get on with it. If they hadn't been familiarised with the points and they'd gone down there to secure them then if subsequently something had gone wrong they'd be out the door with a P45 in a flash. In these days of cost cutting you get kicked out for the smallest excuse, that is the reality of LUL 2011. Lack of training was one of the one of the reasons I decided to leave stations and get onto trains, I knew more than most of the Supers I was working for and the level of knowledge of the SAs coming out of Ashfield was virtually nil. Now that the DMT grade has been split up only the DRMs are supposed to go deal with anything, TOSMs and DTSMs do not have to be familiarised with the track in the area, the only thing they have to be familiarised with is their desk.
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Post by North End on Apr 23, 2011 16:07:46 GMT
I do wonder if the Supervisor I referred to had been moved against his will in the recent "800 jobs cut" changes, not properly familiarised, and was now getting his/her own back. It was also interesting that this fact was either glossed over or omitted altogether in the relevant report/review posted on the LU intranet! More likely they sent an unfamiliarised Super to cover, maybe gave them a quick run round the station and then left them to get on with it. If they hadn't been familiarised with the points and they'd gone down there to secure them then if subsequently something had gone wrong they'd be out the door with a P45 in a flash. In these days of cost cutting you get kicked out for the smallest excuse, that is the reality of LUL 2011. Lack of training was one of the one of the reasons I decided to leave stations and get onto trains, I knew more than most of the Supers I was working for and the level of knowledge of the SAs coming out of Ashfield was virtually nil. Now that the DMT grade has been split up only the DRMs are supposed to go deal with anything, TOSMs and DTSMs do not have to be familiarised with the track in the area, the only thing they have to be familiarised with is their desk. DRMs don't have to be familiarised either. Still, now approaching 6 months after the changes came into effect, we have DRMs with a Stations background working who have received no training in the role (incident DMT) and no training on the stock working on the line -- apart from a 1-day course which I believe concerned itself mainly with the 5 behaviours.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2011 11:51:45 GMT
Yes that's the problem though it isn't a railway and hasn't been for a long time! Since the introduction of the TFL agency suddenly it's being run like a business! Now only figures and politics matter to these people and even at job interviews with LUL you are told this is a business. . Until this rubbish gets deconstructed and LU, buses, dlr etc are allowed to become london transport again I fear that things won't change. Because so long as you have a TFL businessman running a railway it will never fully work! A good example being that weekends are a better time to do engineering works because it's quieter?! Errr no actually if anything I find the weekends busier and far more unpredictable than a standard 9 to 5 working week! Suddenly now as well the Waterloo and city line is closed on saturday, yet what the business fails to realise is that it's probably a lot more useful for people trying to travel around London. What happens if the Jubilee is suspended between waterloo and london bridge, well a tourist would read the map and think aha i'll take the W and C, upon arriving at Waterloo he finds it closed?!
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Post by railtechnician on Apr 26, 2011 12:32:58 GMT
Yes that's the problem though it isn't a railway and hasn't been for a long time! Since the introduction of the TFL agency suddenly it's being run like a business! Now only figures and politics matter to these people and even at job interviews with LUL you are told this is a business. . Until this rubbish gets deconstructed and LU, buses, dlr etc are allowed to become london transport again I fear that things won't change. Because so long as you have a TFL businessman running a railway it will never fully work! A good example being that weekends are a better time to do engineering works because it's quieter?! Errr no actually if anything I find the weekends busier and far more unpredictable than a standard 9 to 5 working week! Suddenly now as well the Waterloo and city line is closed on saturday, yet what the business fails to realise is that it's probably a lot more useful for people trying to travel around London. What happens if the Jubilee is suspended between waterloo and london bridge, well a tourist would read the map and think aha i'll take the W and C, upon arriving at Waterloo he finds it closed?! Yep TfL and LUL have no valid excuses for the mess they have created, they have certainly had their money's worth out of the excuses which are very well worn and extremely ragged now! It certainly is a business first and a public transportation utility second. I'm surprised it isn't running freight between the rush hours on weekdays to earn extra dosh!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2011 13:22:51 GMT
Hah yeah i'm sure with the tunnel cleaning train that is now a fire hazard they could use that to haul cattle around, OH WAIT DON'T THEY ALREADY DO THAT!
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