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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2011 7:10:05 GMT
News outlets are reporting the derailment of an empty train near Wembley Park. Its quite vague at the moment, does anyone have any info?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2011 7:12:56 GMT
The tube status on the London Tube app is reporting the same. I'm not going to speculate but Neasden is in my mind, you get what I mean.
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Post by cso on Mar 24, 2011 8:34:24 GMT
I'm sure it will all come out in the wash (or someone will have driven past it) as I'm assuming at some point the RAIB will be involved?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2011 8:47:08 GMT
It's a derailment, carrying passengers or not. RAIB will certainly be involved.
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Post by knap on Mar 24, 2011 9:32:45 GMT
Our driver reported our fast service from Amersham (07:44) would travel down slow lines from harrow to Wembley owing to a derailment in Wembley park sidings. Train was packed and I was on wrong side, but caught a glimpse of an A60/60 train in the sidings
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Post by metman on Mar 24, 2011 9:36:14 GMT
Not good news for the train involved. Anyone get the units involved?  |
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Post by vato on Mar 24, 2011 10:12:08 GMT
Sorry, I didn't get unit numbers as I passed, as I was paying attention to what was happening underneath.
It looked like the leading wheelset was up on blocks, but level, approx 6 inches to the left of the rail.
It was the closest siding to the running lines, and looked like it came to a stop about 1.5 car lengths out when leaving.
I don't know enough to speculate further.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2011 10:25:53 GMT
A "good service" is being advertised at the moment - not so sure if that is quite true, especially if everything is funnelling up the SB local? Wait until the late meal breaks kick in!
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Post by Chris M on Mar 24, 2011 10:54:29 GMT
It's a derailment, carrying passengers or not. RAIB will certainly be involved. The RAIB will certainly be notified, but this does not necessarily mean they will necessarily open an investigation. If the cause is obvious or otherwise well understood, then it's less likely they will formally investigate. I'm not suggesting or speculating at all here, just using a clear by very unlikely scenario as an example, but if the derailment were caused by a drunk motorman (and there has been no suggestion of this) then there is likely very little the RAIB could add to an internal investigation. |
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Post by knap on Mar 24, 2011 11:04:49 GMT
At one point the Metroline twitter feed was reporting
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I have severe delays between Chalfont & Latimer and Chesham only, due to the derailment of an empty train near Wembley Park."
Not sure if this is an official tweet by TFL, but I suspect it puzzled many that Chalfont / Chesham only was delayed by a train at Wembley
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Post by graeme186 on Mar 24, 2011 11:42:31 GMT
On passing Wembley Park Sidings this morning at about 8am, I can advise the following:
- T476 which forms 0543 Wembley Park to Baker Street was the train involved
- Derailed at oulet signal on No.32 Road
- 5161 is the derailed vehicle. North end unit is 5126
- Two remaining starters from Wembely Park Sidings 'blocked in'
- All SB Fast services diverted over SB Local Line calling all stations
- Very good service this morning given the above
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2011 11:42:59 GMT
Well as TfL are reporting it to be a derailment following a SPaD/ driver error, then as everything has operated correctly, I highly doubt that there will be a RAIB investigation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2011 15:24:05 GMT
The trap points have done exactly what they are there for!
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Post by metman on Mar 24, 2011 17:58:28 GMT
Is the train(s) damaged?
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Post by citysig on Mar 24, 2011 22:51:23 GMT
On passing Wembley Park Sidings this morning at about 8am, I can advise the following: - T476 which forms 0543 Wembley Park to Baker Street was the train involved - Derailed at oulet signal on No.32 Road - 5161 is the derailed vehicle. North end unit is 5126 - Two remaining starters from Wembely Park Sidings 'blocked in' - All SB Fast services diverted over SB Local Line calling all stations - Very good service this morning given the above That's pretty much the size of it. Minimal track damage. Loss of shoe beam and minor bogie damage to the train are all that are apparent at present. The sidings were returned to full use around lunchtime. The SB fast services were actually being diverted due to an "un-related" traction current problem - although I use the term loosely. There was a problem isolating just the sidings area due to a fault in the substation, and thus the fast road was also partially lost. The RAIB have been informed (as they and HMRI are for any such incident) and, as already mentioned, it will be up to them to decide what, if any, investigation should take place. The facts surrounding the incident are already known, and will form the basis of an internal inquiry. |
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Post by a60 on Mar 24, 2011 22:58:23 GMT
I reckon that 5161 is now the next in line for withdrawal, they wouldn't repair such things like bogies at such a stage....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2011 23:19:00 GMT
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Post by metman on Mar 24, 2011 23:53:03 GMT
It would be a shame if 5161 was scrapped. They do have spare bogies I believe. They reclaimed bogies from bit of 5006 and 5179.
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Post by North End on Mar 25, 2011 1:25:16 GMT
I reckon that 5161 is now the next in line for withdrawal, they wouldn't repair such things like bogies at such a stage.... Depends on the level of damage. A 95 stock had a similar derailment entering Edgware Depot about a year ago (similar in the likely speed involved, though the cause was different, ran through points rather than derailed on trap points), and was back in service within a very few days. |
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Post by Colin on Mar 25, 2011 9:01:53 GMT
Yes but 95ts are not in the process of withdrawal from service for scrapping.....
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Post by causton on Mar 25, 2011 14:58:47 GMT
Would they need to replace/repair the bogie to get it up to the sidings for taking away and scrapping?
If so, I'd assume it would just be mended properly then as I'm sure there would be a problem on the H+S front of taking a train out (even for its last working) in a broken state.
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Post by metman on Mar 25, 2011 16:34:29 GMT
Depends what's wrong with it. We are not even sure the bogie is damaged.
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Post by a60 on Mar 25, 2011 19:11:02 GMT
On passing Wembley Park Sidings this morning at about 8am, I can advise the following: - T476 which forms 0543 Wembley Park to Baker Street was the train involved - Derailed at oulet signal on No.32 Road - 5161 is the derailed vehicle. North end unit is 5126 - Two remaining starters from Wembely Park Sidings 'blocked in' - All SB Fast services diverted over SB Local Line calling all stations - Very good service this morning given the above That's pretty much the size of it. Minimal track damage. Loss of shoe beam and minor bogie damage to the train are all that are apparent at present. The sidings were returned to full use around lunchtime. The SB fast services were actually being diverted due to an "un-related" traction current problem - although I use the term loosely. There was a problem isolating just the sidings area due to a fault in the substation, and thus the fast road was also partially lost. The RAIB have been informed (as they and HMRI are for any such incident) and, as already mentioned, it will be up to them to decide what, if any, investigation should take place. The facts surrounding the incident are already known, and will form the basis of an internal inquiry. We do know it's sustained some damage. I think we'll find out more as time goes by.... |
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Post by graeme186 on Apr 11, 2011 19:49:58 GMT
As mentioned by Bronzeonion in the 'A Stock Withdrawals' thread earlier today, 5160/61 is back in service formed up with 5134/35
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2011 22:50:47 GMT
Aye
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