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Post by alex92ts on Mar 28, 2011 16:14:21 GMT
Here is a local news article relating to the recent Central Line attacks last Saturday (26th March) : www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/wfnews/8936535.LEYTON__Tube_trains_attacked_again/One interesting quote from the article - “Those who throw objects at trains risk causing serious injury to passengers and staff and could face a maximum penalty of life imprisonment." - I'd like to think that was true, but I doubt it is! If you look on Google Maps at the tunnel entrance at Leyton, you can see playing fields are located nearby, as well as an area of vegetation (which has been isolated by the Central Line, the NXEA lines and the A12). These are obviously areas where youths can come and throw stuff onto the trains, and not be seen. I think BTP/TfL need to do more about this now, as the attacks have happend more than once, and next time someone could be seriously injured or killed. |
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Post by underground2010 on Mar 28, 2011 20:55:27 GMT
They won't stop, that's the way these youths are. I am only 20 years old and I am proud to say I wasn't ever like that. I can't see where the fun is in throwing rocks and stones at trains, can anyone else?  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2011 20:59:22 GMT
May be these scumbags will one day be on a train, and they get clonked over the head by a brick and blinded by broken glass... That'll wake 'em up a bit!
Can't see the fun in it either.
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Post by Bighat on Mar 28, 2011 21:21:27 GMT
May be these scumbags will one day be on a train, and they get clonked over the head by a brick and blinded by broken glass... That'll wake 'em up a bit! Can't see the fun in it either. Unfortunately, we may never know! |
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Post by retep on Apr 27, 2011 13:58:28 GMT
Which end of the tunnel and in which direction? I would like to go and investigate seeing as the BTP are feckin' useless. Is there really any point in refurbishing the 92ts until we've put up half decent fencing and identified where this latest array of vandalism is occuring. Also as mentioned before but wouldn't happen due to H&S...electric fences...nuff' said. As for graffiti tags, these are area's where bored youths are still able to jump fences and carry out these attacks which brings me back to my main point...can e have some decent fencing in here! Not the stupid fencing that typically spawns everywhere and can be cut with a garden tool, the type with long metal poles spawning out of the ground like they have on the Eurostar. I agree, even if it would be more expensive putting fencing by the tracks it would be more value for money. Refurbished trains getting vandalised would be like a waste of money. It doesn't seem like Jubilee Line gets vandalised even though it goes Stratford. Funny isn't it. I haven't really travelled through east london though, i would like to but have heard of tube trains getting vandalised there. And the fencing should be high so its hard to throw rocks at the train. I could imagine how scary passengers and the driver feels when rocks get thrown at the train. |
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Post by railtechnician on Apr 27, 2011 15:46:56 GMT
Which end of the tunnel and in which direction? I would like to go and investigate seeing as the BTP are feckin' useless. Is there really any point in refurbishing the 92ts until we've put up half decent fencing and identified where this latest array of vandalism is occuring. Also as mentioned before but wouldn't happen due to H&S...electric fences...nuff' said. As for graffiti tags, these are area's where bored youths are still able to jump fences and carry out these attacks which brings me back to my main point...can e have some decent fencing in here! Not the stupid fencing that typically spawns everywhere and can be cut with a garden tool, the type with long metal poles spawning out of the ground like they have on the Eurostar. I agree, even if it would be more expensive putting fencing by the tracks it would be more value for money. Refurbished trains getting vandalised would be like a waste of money. It doesn't seem like Jubilee Line gets vandalised even though it goes Stratford. Funny isn't it. I haven't really travelled through east london though, i would like to but have heard of tube trains getting vandalised there. And the fencing should be high so its hard to throw rocks at the train. I could imagine how scary passengers and the driver feels when rocks get thrown at the train. We really shouldn't have to build higher and higher fences to keep the vandals from their fun, this simply creates ghetto environments. Better detection, successful conviction and proper sentencing is the answer to these yobs. The softly softly approach doesn't work, these people need locking up no matter how young they may be! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2011 22:10:17 GMT
I agree, even if it would be more expensive putting fencing by the tracks it would be more value for money. Refurbished trains getting vandalised would be like a waste of money. It doesn't seem like Jubilee Line gets vandalised even though it goes Stratford. Funny isn't it. I haven't really travelled through east london though, i would like to but have heard of tube trains getting vandalised there. And the fencing should be high so its hard to throw rocks at the train. I could imagine how scary passengers and the driver feels when rocks get thrown at the train. It really doesn’t happen that often, this was the first incident I’d heard of on the Central for ages, it made the news because the little scrotes hit several trains in one afternoon. They were stupid enough to go back there and got their collars felt, since then nothing. There was a really bad spate on the Upminster end of the Disi a few years ago, I seem to recall the TOps were going to refuse to go east of Barking but BTP sorted that out and it’s been quiet for years. In all my years on the front end I’ve only had to take a train out of service once for a broken window though none of the passengers bothered telling me about it until I’d reached the end of the line, guess they didn’t want to delay getting home. TfL aren’t going to spend money on any further preventative measures unless it becomes such a problem that it starts to take huge chunks out of the budget while BTP and the Met simply don’t have the manpower to dedicate to 24 hour track watch. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2011 4:54:14 GMT
From Central And W&C Newsline magazine which came out last month.
"After a small number of stone throwing incidents on the Central Line a fence has been erected at a hotspot to safe guard train operators and the service.
It goes on to say that six trains were damaged but while no one was injured it cost LU £210k in “lost customer hours”. BTP arrested the culprits and LU’s Network Security Team (didn’t know we had one) have repaired the damage to the existing fence, added an additional fence to “isolate the trackside” and installed a motion detection camera to cover the site.
And there’s a picture of the two fences, one a “palisade” type and the other chainlink with barded wire on top, guessing the "palisade" is the new one
So someone actually did something and considering the incident was on 26 March remarkably quickly for LUL.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2011 7:03:15 GMT
Does anyone know what the punishment for the culprits was? I assume they were from impoverished backgrounds and it was our society's fault again  IMO this type of offense is attempted murder lock them up or throw away the key is minimum sentence they should get! Xerces Fobe |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2011 7:59:11 GMT
Does anyone know what the punishment for the culprits was? I assume they were from impoverished backgrounds and it was our society's fault again IMO this type of offense is attempted murder lock them up or throw away the key is minimum sentence they should get! As it's only a little over three months since they were arrested I doubt very much whether it has come to court. When a colleague was assaulted on the gateline at Stratford it didn't go to court for at least six months, maybe even a year. The wheels of justice turn very slowly, probably even slower today with all the cuts to the public sector. We currently have around 80k in jail in the UK and it costs approx £34k pa per prisoner, they’re probably teenagers so would be under lock and key for maybe 50 years; value for money? To get a conviction on attempted murder you’d have to prove that the accused intended to kill passengers or train drivers, the CPS are hardly likely to go for that, are they? I'd send them a bill for the damage, seize their chattels or if they are underage seize their family's chattels. If they ever get a job leave them just enough to live on and take the rest. My object all sublime I shall achieve in time To let the punishment fit the crime The punishment fit the crime |
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Post by auxsetreq on Jul 18, 2011 13:14:30 GMT
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Post by Phil on Jul 18, 2011 14:09:48 GMT
If they're locking him up for that long (more than you get for many muggings...  ) how on earth do they expect him to earn money to pay for some of that damage? And at least inside for that long he'll learn from the career criminals how not to get caught (most of the time)  . Sorry - I'm totally against vandalism and personally believe in the sternest of punishments, but in this case the punishment should have been several hundred hours of community service cleaning up his (and others') messes, and a huge attachment from his wages/benefits to make restitution. Presumably the judge was in a hard mood that day, or there's something else the public weren't allowed to know. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 15:37:56 GMT
If prison was a real punishment it would work but they are now centres of excellence for further criminal activity! I can think of a far more suitable punishment for idiots like these  Xerces Fobe |
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Post by superteacher on Aug 3, 2011 11:03:55 GMT
If prison was a real punishment it would work but they are now centres of excellence for further criminal activity! I can think of a far more suitable punishment for idiots like these Xerces Fobe Agreed - prison should be so bad that anyone who ends up in there will never want to go back after their release! All this reform rubbish and softly softly approach is one of the reasons why the country is in the state it's in! |
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Post by auxsetreq on Aug 3, 2011 12:47:10 GMT
If prison was a real punishment it would work but they are now centres of excellence for further criminal activity! I can think of a far more suitable punishment for idiots like these Xerces Fobe Agreed - prison should be so bad that anyone who ends up in there will never want to go back after their release! All this reform rubbish and softly softly approach is one of the reasons why the country is in the state it's in! I'd ditto that, but unfortunately it'll never happen because they are "customers" for the crime industry. An industry in a constant state of growth that supports so many people. Releasing crims back into the "Community" < ( Gawd I hate that expression, but it'll have to do for now ) allows them to re offend which keeps lawyers, briefs, judges, court officials, police, warders, probation officers and the rest of the crime industry such as alarm manufactures/installers etc in work <<< Please add some more, there are loads more examples, but not enough pixels! When you think about it crime is the biggest "industry" in the country and the world............... |
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Post by phillw48 on Aug 3, 2011 13:28:58 GMT
I hear that Milly Dowlers killer is suing the home office because he was beaten up by the other inmates in prison. If you rape and murder a child what do you expect? To add insult to injury we are paying for it through legal aid, the lawyers gravy train.
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Post by superteacher on Aug 3, 2011 15:17:35 GMT
I hear that Milly Dowlers killer is suing the home office because he was beaten up by the other inmates in prison. If you rape and murder a child what do you expect? To add insult to injury we are paying for it through legal aid, the lawyers gravy train. Totally agree. |
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Post by SE13 on Aug 3, 2011 15:37:17 GMT
I hear that Milly Dowlers killer is suing the home office because he was beaten up by the other inmates in prison. If you rape and murder a child what do you expect? To add insult to injury we are paying for it through legal aid, the lawyers gravy train. Totally agree. Without getting too gory, a certain well known criminal from the West Yorkshire area in the 70's had glass ground into his food. He had the cheek to apply for early release as well. |
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Post by superteacher on Aug 3, 2011 18:11:32 GMT
Without getting too gory, a certain well known criminal from the West Yorkshire area in the 70's had glass ground into his food. He had the cheek to apply for early release as well. My heart bleeds . . . and so, no doubt, did his stomach! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2011 6:42:53 GMT
Agreed - prison should be so bad that anyone who ends up in there will never want to go back after their release! All this reform rubbish and softly softly approach is one of the reasons why the country is in the state it's in! Utter dross. If your theory was right and you could make them so bad that no one wanted to go back then criminals would make sure they weren’t caught, leave no witnesses alive and resist arrest with even greater force. We imprison more people than any other European country and have a higher reoffending rate. Perhaps we might want to ask what the rest of Europe are doing right. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2011 7:27:50 GMT
Agreed - prison should be so bad that anyone who ends up in there will never want to go back after their release! All this reform rubbish and softly softly approach is one of the reasons why the country is in the state it's in! Utter dross. If your theory was right and you could make them so bad that no one wanted to go back then criminals would make sure they weren’t caught, leave no witnesses alive and resist arrest with even greater force. We imprison more people than any other European country and have a higher reoffending rate. Perhaps we might want to ask what the rest of Europe are doing right. Utter dross really? www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/9175833.Philip_Lawrence_killer_on_trial_for_robbery/! Xerces Fobe |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2011 9:09:28 GMT
So what is your point, that if prison were more draconian he’d not have reoffended? Try framing an argument next time. |
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