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Post by underground2010 on Mar 14, 2011 0:17:16 GMT
I remember mentioning this in another thread related to the Central line. I was on an eastbound service between Stratford and Leyton and some guy in the same carriage as me was leaning on one of the doors, despite the fact he had plenty of room to stand and even a few seats he could of chosen to sit on. As the train came out of the tunnel, it grinded to a hault and the driver said over the P.A "Please don't lean on the doors, it can do damage to the train" and he just chuckled and got off the door and the train started moving again. As regards to the crowded trains, I agree with the comments made on people just waiting. Trains are anything from a minute to five minutes max usually, it doesn't kill to wait a bit of extra time so you can travel in a bit more comfort rather than being squished in a crowded, hot, sticky carriage. Some people also behave in a bad manner when travelling on the tube too. I remember once travelling between Liverpool St and Morgate and these two guys had one of the inter-connecting doors open and used it to rest his foot on whilst the train was in motion.
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Post by jamesb on Mar 14, 2011 1:41:58 GMT
Is it the case that the door mechanisms have become less tightly closed as the trains have progressed? I have seen doors sliding open a few mm under the trains own deceleration without anyone leaning on them before... I must confess that during the rush hour I once accidentally leaned on a door - on that occasion the palm of my hand was behind my back leaning on the glass - I got a big shock when the door slid open and the train jolted.
Is it the case that the more the doors are leaned on the looser they become?
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Post by Tomcakes on Mar 14, 2011 12:46:54 GMT
Sorry, but do you think passengers are rammed up against the doors just to be awkward? They are most likely doing so owing because the train is jam packed and there's nowhere else to stand. That's ok, no need to feel sorry oh *Global Moderator* one. I'm intrigued by your unwary assertion that those who make decisions are the victims of their own choices. Passengers *rammed* ( an unfortunate *choice* of word, but that was your decision to use it ) up against doors do so because that's the option they decide to take. Some make the *choice* not to *ram* themselves on but wait until something a little less crowded comes along. So the question. Who are the Victims, and who are the Players? There's only one way to find out...............................Fight! Yes, I'll often wait when I have the chance and there's another train behind, but sometimes there's a continual stream of jam packed trains. And again, I too will leave early to get into town early. However, if I finish work at 5pm, and have to catch a train at 6pm, I don't have much choice - remembering that if I'm delayed because of a LU screwup, BR will not recognise that as a valid reason for lateness so my tickets become very expensive bookmarks.
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Post by plasmid on Mar 14, 2011 23:05:20 GMT
A year ago on the WB between Stratford and Mile End a woman removed her bag from the door (which was open 1inch) and the doors closed just as the train started slowing down for Mile End.
The doors must have been slightly ajar the whole journey and the train didn't pick it up.
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Post by Chris M on Mar 15, 2011 11:18:04 GMT
remembering that if I'm delayed because of a LU screwup, BR will not recognise that as a valid reason for lateness so my tickets become very expensive bookmarks. They do sometimes. I was once about 5 minutes late for a train at St Pancras (domestic) due to an LU failure (pretty much the entire SSR had a meltdown, although I can't remember why). East Midlands readily accepted me on the next service. On the other hand, due to "minor delays" on both the Central and Bakerloo lines I was about 2 minutes late for a train from Paddington (I'd have arrive with about 15 minutes to spare had it all gone to plan) and to fork out for a walk-up fare to Swansea.
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Post by jardine01 on Mar 15, 2011 18:08:18 GMT
I bet drivers or operators should i say! Must get sick of people leaning aganst the doors it must delay the service all along!
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Post by mileendfan on Mar 15, 2011 20:13:52 GMT
What was wrong with air driven doors, I never remember such difficulties with them?
Hugh
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Post by t697 on Mar 15, 2011 21:27:52 GMT
What was wrong with air driven doors, I never remember such difficulties with them?Hugh The Central line doors are air driven. As with all LUL passenger train doors before the new VLU and S stock, there is a limited 'pushback' feature against a spring. This forms part of the safety package for the doors. The effect of being easier or less easy to slide the door against this spring under acceleration or braking is caused by the effect of the door's own mass.
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Post by mileendfan on Mar 17, 2011 16:59:55 GMT
Hmmm, but leaning on the doors of '62s or '38s never seemed to stop the train.
Hugh
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Post by superteacher on Mar 17, 2011 19:44:29 GMT
Hmmm, but leaning on the doors of '62s or '38s never seemed to stop the train. Hugh I have accidentally leant on 1992 stock doors, and they do open very easily. Have to agree with you - never was an issue on the older stock.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2011 13:31:05 GMT
No but a while ago lu lowered the pressure on the doors to make them close slower, which imo not only was a stupid idea, it's also one of the big causes of this problem!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2011 23:44:20 GMT
It seems that those of you driving the tubes don't get a lot of experience peak time commuting on them.
When I first moved to London, as a wee 23 year old, I used to think that I'd wait for the next train when they were rammed. 6 months in I realised that you could sometimes be waiting for 20 trains to go by before there was an un-rammed one, so you may as well ram yourself onto the first one that you could. You guys may enjoy hanging around on tube platforms for a few hours a week waiting for a train with a few less bodies in it, the rest of us think life's too short. Sorry. And no, we don't all have the luxury option of choosing our hours or can afford paying for overpriced coffee before work every day, even if we had the time!
And I'd rather travel at peak time with the commuters who know where they're going, and are better at standing aside to let people off and all of those little things, than brave the horrendous Sunday afternoons with people dragging around their kids, blocking the passageways staring at maps and so on.
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Post by North End on Apr 19, 2011 1:23:57 GMT
Is it the case that the door mechanisms have become less tightly closed as the trains have progressed? I have seen doors sliding open a few mm under the trains own deceleration without anyone leaning on them before... I must confess that during the rush hour I once accidentally leaned on a door - on that occasion the palm of my hand was behind my back leaning on the glass - I got a big shock when the door slid open and the train jolted. Is it the case that the more the doors are leaned on the looser they become? The doors are designed to be pushed back by a certain distance. I forget the exact distance, but it's designed so that items such as toggles can be removed in emergency. Doors opening more than a very fine tolerance will result in the pilot light being lost, which in turn causes the motors to cut out. Like most things on the railway, it's a balance which is difficult to get exactly right. You adjust one thing to reduce one problem, and another problem gets worse. Especially on things where the travelling public are involved.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2011 8:16:14 GMT
It seems that those of you driving the tubes don't get a lot of experience peak time commuting on them. When I first moved to London, as a wee 23 year old, I used to think that I'd wait for the next train when they were rammed. 6 months in I realised that you could sometimes be waiting for 20 trains to go by before there was an un-rammed one, so you may as well ram yourself onto the first one that you could. You guys may enjoy hanging around on tube platforms for a few hours a week waiting for a train with a few less bodies in it, the rest of us think life's too short. Sorry. And no, we don't all have the luxury option of choosing our hours or can afford paying for overpriced coffee before work every day, even if we had the time! And I'd rather travel at peak time with the commuters who know where they're going, and are better at standing aside to let people off and all of those little things, than brave the horrendous Sunday afternoons with people dragging around their kids, blocking the passageways staring at maps and so on. Before I started working on the Tube I was a commuter like most people, I had nearly fifteen years at two different jobs travelling first from Dagenham, then Barking, then Leyton to Chancery Lane and back, 9-5, M-F. The trick, which no doubt you’ve already learnt, is to find where the platform is emptiest after a train has gone and go stand there. At each station I know exactly where the crowd will be at it’s densest, always the same, day after day, people just switch off and don’t process the information their eyes are passing to their brains. Standing aside to let people off, you’re having a laugh, I’ve seen people barging on while people are still getting off and when they do stand back it’s only far enough so that one person can get off at a time. Every time I hear passengers complain that they get treated like cattle I laugh because so many of them behave like cattle, it is truly frightening. The next time to SATS asks for passengers to move down the platform just watch how many do, they stay rooted to the spot with their noses in the Evening Standard. Should give ‘em cattle prods.
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Post by auxsetreq on Apr 19, 2011 8:22:57 GMT
It seems that those of you driving the tubes don't get a lot of experience peak time commuting on them. Here's one that does. I use the Tube to commute/leisure and I've just done a journey from west to east on the long red line during the peak. I love getting in with the punters and seeing what goes on. After all I could get in with my colleague and avoid all that, but I get sick of the cab. After all I'm in it for nearly eight hours a day and my little brain is stewed enough already. I never cut myself off from the people I work for. Bung the iPod in the lugs, pretend to read The Metro, huddle up in a corner and hope that Olly Murs will get on and do his chicken dance. I observe and note everything that occurs. I love watching people, it fascinates me. I just wish some of our managers would take the same attitude. After all they bang on at us ad infinitum - "Customer this, customer that" But when it's time for them to to travel it's knock, knock, knock "Can I come in? It's a bit crowded back there."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2011 8:35:52 GMT
Auxsetreq - I ride the cushions too, those trainers’ seats are naff. Plus some of the conversations you have in the cab are excruciating; if I wanted to listen to the latest gossip or someone’s sub-Littlejohn opinions I’d have stayed on stations.
Funny I always head for the perch seats, feel odd travelling sideways. A good book always comes in handy.
Frankly I'd be amazed if those set above us even know what a train looks like
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Post by phillw48 on Apr 19, 2011 8:58:28 GMT
People crowding around the doors waiting to get on is a perennial problem with sliding door stock. When I was working I used to change from C2C to the District at Upminster. Getting off the C2C train usually meant squeezing past people just to get off. Shouting 'Get out of the bl00dy way' was most effective. ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2011 9:05:59 GMT
People crowding around the doors waiting to get on is a perennial problem with sliding door stock. When I was working I used to change from C2C to the District at Upminster. Getting off the C2C train usually meant squeezing past people just to get off. Shouting 'Get out of the bl00dy way' was most effective. ;D ;D I don't bother with an audible warning, I just stride forward and woe betide anyone who blocks my path. Helps that I’m a bit of a lump and never when I’m in uniform.
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Post by phillw48 on Apr 19, 2011 9:48:08 GMT
People crowding around the doors waiting to get on is a perennial problem with sliding door stock. When I was working I used to change from C2C to the District at Upminster. Getting off the C2C train usually meant squeezing past people just to get off. Shouting 'Get out of the bl00dy way' was most effective. ;D ;D I don't bother with an audible warning, I just stride forward and woe betide anyone who blocks my path. Helps that I’m a bit of a lump and never when I’m in uniform. The result was that after a few times the parted like the Red Sea.
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