People leaning on the doors

If people lean on the doors, the train can lose the detection that all the doors are closed. Without proof that all doors are closed the train will not start, or will apply the emergency brake if moving. This applies in ATO and protected manual. I presume it normally applies in restricted manual as well, but can be overridden if there is a fault with a door or the door proving circuit. Passengers obviously cannot be carried if the door proving circuit is overridden.

Motoring is lost when door closed visual is lost

It's a very common problem, and in my opinion it's what's doing the damage to the motors. Variable loading makes the motors pull full power when it's heavy. Loss of door proving on ATO acceleration makes some trains jolt violently - whump, whump, whump......... one can almost feel the damage being done. But as I said that's a personal opinion. A good way to stop it is what the driver did. Tell the punters that if they don't stop leaning against the doors "You'll all be getting off at the next stop" Tell em nicely though, unless Olly, the *Prof* or Sheena Easton are on board. Tell em "Silly little hats, Glas-merican accents and extreme posing in front of the universe are not allowed on this train thank you very much" It's an ATO interuption BTW and the driver done good - into CM to next station. He'll go far on the job I can tell - Like Epping, Hainalut via Noobry Parkalot, and West Broadwaylip. Put it in the boy's PD file....................next...........

The Central line stock are also a bit of a sod when it comes to getting grab-rail room in the doorwells, so it doesn't surprise me that people end up leaning on the doors, especially if they're short. The Jubilee stock are a bit better. Naturally, there are just stupid punters: I had to tell someone that their bag was stuck in a door the other day!

Whilst I've done this a few times (I don't weigh much so I can get away with it), people shouldn't ram on a busy train to the point where they would have to lean on the doors.

*Currently* the Central Line operates more TPH than any other line, 30 TPH or a train every 2 minutes. That means by time a train has left the platform the next one should only be 1 minute away.

The reason you see gaps is because the train has been delayed by people ramming in the train. If we could feed the 30TPH fact into every persons brain then people would just simply wait for the next train.

The Central Line runs well and the service is only ever trashed by numerous Passenger Emergency Alarms and people leaning heavily against the doors.

Some people seem to forget that the Underground isn't National Rail...the next train isn't a 15 minute wait.

I had some work colleagues come down from Manchester during the week and they said the Underground is fantastic in every aspect and were most impressed with the frequency of the trains.

Even Jason Manford made a joke how Londoners are always so desperate to board a train and go berserk when they miss one not realising that there is one right behind.

Well, thats my policy too!

When you tell the punters that there are trains every 60-75 seconds or so, they just respond with "Well, we want to get on *THIS* train, then they stand there, hurrumphing about, waiting for departure.

People really need to slow down and stop being so focused on one thing. Getting there a minute or so later, really isn't going to make much difference is it?

Just slow down! If the train is full, calmly step off the door tread and simply wait. there's no need to ram and push your way on.... Makes life a lot easier, both for you, and the poor fellows you're pushing! Then there's no risk of a confrontation.

Would happen on any tube line if the crowding was severe enough, and I would guess on any train anywhere.

Does this happen on the 1996 stock aswell?

On 92ts, the effect is quite noticeable.

A former member of this forum (now banned) used to delight in showing off by forcing the doors open two or three times on departure, just to prove it!

Prat!

Surface stocks have relatively square sides compared to the duck-your-head-in on the DLL stock, that is probably why.

Slightly OT, but on the same theme, I was on the Picc yesterday at Gloucester Road, beep beep beep, doors start closing followed by something I can only describe as a scene out of "Supergran" as this 60+ lady dived (yes really) through the doors jamming them, she then pulled herself through but ripping her coat which remained stuck in the door, before the driver re-opened the doors, and her mate got on.

"Blimey, that was a close one" she cheerily pipes up to everyone. My daughter (who is 7) pointed out that the DMI said the next train was only 1 minute away, and that she could have killed herself. "Oh well, at least WE made this one" she chirped up with, then plonked herself down on a seat. Honestly, you'd have to have been there to believe it!

Anyhow, going back to the leaning on doors theme, are there any problems when trains pass at speed? There has to be a fair amount of air being shoved between the units which must create quite a bolt.

Having been out to the extents of the line the doors really do jump when the trains cross, with something of a closing speed of about 100mph. Didn't feel any jolt in the motors though!

That's ok, no need to feel sorry oh *Global Moderator* one. I'm intrigued by your unwary assertion that those who make decisions are the victims of their own choices. Passengers *rammed* ( an unfortunate *choice* of word, but that was your decision to use it ) up against doors do so because that's the option they decide to take. Some make the *choice* not to *ram* themselves on but wait until something a little less crowded comes along. So the question. Who are the Victims, and who are the Players? There's only one way to find out...............................Fight!

It's you and others who make the choice to all travel to work together. The system can only cope with so much. There are always alternative choices in everything, but that's not usually an option for most as it's easier to blame something like the Tube for the choices they as individuals make.......Suggestion. Go in earlier to beat the crowds, have a McPuffin n Coffee. No excuses, I practise what I preach .Some days I go in earlier, sometimes hours earlier to beat the traffic............Sometimes I have a McPuffin and Squirrel milkshake..........