Wembley Park calls

I use it often to change from the Met to the Jubilee to get to Queensbury, more often than not a 'slow' (not that it matters between BST and WPK off-peak!) train however. Last year I spent the summer going round London a lot and got a few Amersham fasts - some are as you describe but some have quite a few getting off! Think it's all about maintaining a good frequency in the more 'urban' section

They always used to though so why do they need to stop now if no-one is going to get on or off?

Would have helped me out this evening! I got off a Fast S/B at Harrow, with a train in platform 5 which provided the usual Harrow 'cross-platform doors closing in your face' experience! (Yes, yes, I have read about the bigger picture reasons and understand that but still, it is EXCEPTIONALLY frustrating that this seems to be a regular occurence there, in both directions, whereas when one is travelling through, one must often wait some time for the crew change or other delay) Anyway rant over - the point has already been made that the stop barely increases journey time, and considering that non-stopping trains are often held at signals just before the station, I don't really see the case for not stopping there! The pros far outweigh any cons, from a passenger point of view

No I wouldn't have said so. Having everything stop at WP can do that, whilst not really affecting Met paths. Interchanges at each end of those intermediate stations are sufficient, and additional stops would of course affect the current situation with journey times etc etc etc

They could fit when introduced!

Then station length would really be an issue ;D ;D ;D

Well, in theory yes. I cannot recall if Neasden was on the list to be "equipped" for S-stock use. I believe they have equipped Willesden.

The earliest point at which any consideration would be made to serve either station on a regular basis would be once the new signalling is in place - and even then it would depend what type of signalling it was. If it merely replaces the current kit, then line capacity would not be sufficient to allow stops at both without having to seriously recast / reduce the timetable.

But as I said, at the end of the day they are both Jubilee Line stations, and are served adequately by that line. There are many stations all over the country that are served by some services and not by others, even if it is possible to stop those other services.

Whoa!! We don't want the Met serving any Jubilee Line stations, the quicker to town the better! If the Met started to stop at Neasden and Willesden, the Jubilee would be quicker! ;D

The Wembley stop is a good idea, except when you're coming out of London on the evening rush and after about 7, that extra stop is soul destroying.

noticed that they are stopping there and have been doing so for a while now,i remember in the early 90s' there was a chesham train that didn't stop even at harrow and being on it.

I think "forced" is a little harsh. Well actually, ok then

The point I was making about the signalling is related to the fact that with the current stopping patterns, we can happily run a train every 3-5 minutes between Finchley Road and Wembley. There are enough signals, and trains keep moving, and thus clear signal sections. Add in an extra stop or 2 and you end up with trains coming to a halt, opening doors, closing doors then having to restart. All this takes time, and allows following trains to catch up. They then end up at red signals which means they have to stop, then restart when the signal clears, adding more time, meaning more trains queued up behind.

The current stopping pattern works. Extra stops mean either less trains or more queues.

It is still the case that you cannot be signalled into/through platform 6 if a train is either approaching platform 5, or has berthed with the starting signal clear. Once again, costs have meant that the once planned alteration to this has not happened - and probably won't now happen.

Fast trains down the local? Occasionally fasts are diverted down the local if the fast is blocked for whatever reason. Cannot recall any other time (except maybe during the Wembley Park station works - something rings a bell then) when all fasts have been booked that way.

I take it the reason for that is a compromised overlap over points, and hence would need a similar signal arrangement to the approach-controlled signal down the Moorgate platform?

In the 2003 timetable I remember that fast southbound trains all used to run down the local line off peak. It was straight after the Wembley Park stop was introduced off peak!

It was I believe designed so passengers did not have to move between platforms. In the event the fasts became stuck behind stopping trains and common sense prevailed!