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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2011 19:47:14 GMT
In 1870 The metropolitan railway ran from Moorgate street to Hammersmith, with branches from edgware road to south Kensington, Latimer road to addison road, and Baker street to swiss cottage (worked as a shuttle I believe)
The met also worked the district from Blackfriers to West Brompton
At this time I don't think Lillie bridge can have existed, As far as I know it was not built until the district bought its own stock.
Don't think triangle sidings can have existed either, as the curve from High street to earls court had not been built.
Was hammersmith depot in existence.
I think edgware road was the only depot accommodation to service the whole system, could this cope with all the locos and carriage stock, looking at the size of the site today this seems difficult to imaging.
Were there other sidings on the system for storage of rolling stock?
Were locomotives stabled elsewhere?
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Post by tubeprune on Feb 28, 2011 21:29:28 GMT
Hammersmith had some carriage sidings where the sheds are now. Also, there service was a lot less frequent than today so they didn't need very much stock.
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Post by roythebus on Feb 28, 2011 21:57:26 GMT
I thought the District worked the DR from Blackfriars to West Brompton, but I may be wrong as there was a lot of companies helping others out in those days.
I think Lillie Bridge was part of the GNP&B and was used as their car sheds initially, so would not have housed Mew stock. you're right, Triangle sidings weren't there as there wasn;t a triangle!
There was indeed a depot at Hammersmith, there was a link on here a while ago, probably under the bit about Addison Road or the like, and there's piccys of it in the book on the West London Railway. Remember the Addison Road-Hammersmith link had a running connection with the MR at Hammersmith before the DR was there.
I've also seen pics of the loco shed at Edgware Road in a book many years ago, it was by the "inner rail" where the sidings used to be. Try the Covent Garden archive for more info and pictures.
Stock could have been kept at the sidings at Farringdon and the like. no doubt better answers will come along soon!
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Post by phillw48 on Feb 28, 2011 22:05:33 GMT
At the time the District terminated at Mansion House IIRC they used Mansion House to stable stock overnight. In the early days there was also facilities for coaling (coking?) the steam engines. (Many of the stations had facilities for watering the locos.)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2011 22:27:16 GMT
Lillie bridge was originally the district sheds, untiil they got far as acton, when they opened mill hill park sheds (now acton town depot). It was taken over by the picadilly when it opened.
The district originlly had no stock of its own, it was intended to merge very quickly with the met,and was worked by the met, until the two companies fell out.
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Post by tubeprune on Mar 2, 2011 17:49:50 GMT
OK, here's a quick summary of the District Railway's (DR) early stock history.
The DR bought 24 locos and 19 x 8-coach trains in 1871. Trains were worked by the DR in place of the Met from 1st July 1871. A depot and engine shed + workshops were built at Lillie Bridge and were available for stabling and light maintenance from then but they weren't fully completed until mid-1872.
Some trains were outstabled at Mansion House and South Kensington where gas lighting replenishment mains were available.
The completed Lillie Bridge site comprised:
Three stabling roads on the eastern edge by the WLER; west of this a 3-road carriage shed and a workshop on the west of that, all at the south end of the site, where Earls Court 2 now is;
North of the carriage shed was a 4-road loco workshop and north of that the engine shed. There was a traverser between them.
The site was reached in the same way as it is today but via Kensington (Addison Road) only, as the extension to Hammersmith wasn't opened until 1874. The connection from West Kensington was put in then.
At S Ken, the DR had 3 sidings (where the portacabins are now) and a bay road (where the Picc. escalators are now. They had a couple of bay roads at Mansion House too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2011 19:46:19 GMT
Thanks for that information
Any idea of the number of locos the Met had just prior to 1870?
Did they use Masion House and South Kensington for stabling?
How big were edgeware road sheds?
I think there were sidings in existance at Ray street and Aldersgate street, any idea if there is a track plan existing of these sidings?
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Post by tubeprune on Mar 2, 2011 21:03:54 GMT
In the 1870s there was a 2-road goods yard west of Farringdon on the up side and two sidings west of Aldersgate between the CWL and the Met roads. They were still there when I worked there in the 1970s, 100 years later.
Moorgate was the terminus. It had six bay roads with with each track having a platform on either side. There were two short sidings where the substation is now. There were loco sidings at the down end of the station.
Edgware Road had a simple 2-road station with platforms about 60m long. There was a 2-road running shed where the signal cabin is now. Immediately east of it was an ash pit. On the other side of the through tracks there was a carriage shed with five tracks at the east end. It had a traverser in front of it. It was about 30m long . At the west end of the site there was another engine shed, a workshop and stores. Griffith House didn't exist. The site went right up to the edge of Chapel Street.
Plans of all these sites can be seen on the 1870 OS maps.
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Post by t697 on Mar 2, 2011 22:08:49 GMT
With so many platforms at Moorgate and other places I guess some of the coaching stock at least was stabled in the platforms. Apart from brakes, wheel turning and proper overhauls, there'd not be much to maintain, so daily work would be quite limited with such simple vehicles. Quite interesting that 140 years on, there is planned to be more outstabling of S stock in platforms when the full fleet is delivered.
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