The story of the London Overground

Pretty awful propagander. And the music is nausiating.

Having said that, good arial shot of the route of the ELL around Shoreditch near the end.

Thanks for the link.

Propaganda. From the Latin feminine gerund of propagare “to propagate”.

Unless you cite the Cockney; "Proper gander", an intensive inspection.

Semantics, noun?

Hmm, Wandsworth Road to Clapham Junction... in 2012. So does that mean the one train a day cum bus currently operating, allegedly... will be replaced with something more in keeping with Metro style services as shown elsewhere?

Getting a handshake off a member of staff at a LO station might be asking too much. Even getting a hello or good morning is asking a lot, normally just get a grunt.

No, but I have regularly been addressed with a lack of any emotion or courtesy and the minimum of acknowledgement as a fellow human being whilst going through the motions of a missing a train AGAIN because the ticket machine is STILL broken (unless you want a paper ticket - yeah great!) and there is an EPIC, I say again EPIC queue as a result, which is of course being dealt with extremely slowly. Does that count??

To be fair to LO, they provided the service for my first ever stint of regular rail commuting (on the DC line) and over the course of that time I can barely fault the service. I did also have a very good customer service experience (at the other end of my commute clearly!) although it should be pointed out that whilst the staff were helpful in this case, the root cause was once again a ticket machine - this time one which ate your coins. The station in question has two ticket machines - the other one had the coin slot taped over, oh dear....

Back on topic, this video is sadly interminably dull PR. Since I have lived in LO territory I don't think there has been a single weekend without significant disruption to alot of the network (excluding the ELL), if they hadn't made alot of progress in the circumstances something would be very wrong!

Edit: As I watched this video sometime previously and looking back on other comments I do recall something they mentioned which made me think; have frequencies had THAT much of an increase? I can't watch that dirge again but I seem to recall something along the lines of a 'significant' or 'dramatic' increase being mentioned? I'm only really familiar with the frequencies in the LO era, certainly in terms of the NLL/WLL so I'm mostly going on discussion on here regarding timetables etc... My more distant memories of the odd journey here or there certainly feature alot of waiting around in apparent desolation!

The first and last train times are what need improving, i mean a last train leaving Dalston Junction at 0015, and poor times on the NLL and GOBLIN the first train on the GOB is around 9am on Sundays.

Hopefully we will see an improvment after the engineering work in the next timetable change, but i doubt it.

I should stress despite my tone that I would generally speaking agree Whistlekiller. Clearly though slightly higher standards in a few areas and in particular some work on timetabling would make it an even better asset still. First/last trains on all the routes, frequency on others have room for improvement. As I said though, whilst commuting regularly the punctuality was almost impeccable, as good as I could have expected

New Cross has always been 4 tph

Well wasn't that because the only terminuses south of the river were New Cross and New Cross Gate under LUL? Now there are 3 terminuses with the Clapham Jct to follow.

'Proper gander' ? You mean a 'goosey' as in "we'll give it a goosey" which is what I always use to describe a detailed inspection.

“Have a gander” was in general usage around 60s/70s Dagenham but I would imagine both derive from the same source.

Regarding LO station staff it should be noted that they are paid less than their LU counterparts and when Silverlink Metro were running things it was rare to find anyone in the ticket offices at the best of times.

My local, Leyton Midland Road along with most of the others on the “Goblin” were unmanned until Ken took over so back before LO while you’d have no one to complain to that you’d missed your train or that the ticket machine was out of service there was also no one checking that you had a ticket at all.

Years ago a Silverlink driver told me that one day when there was no service on the Stratford-Richmond line they were advising the passengers to use the buses and one cheery chappy complained that if he used the buses he’d have to pay for his journey. I used to work at Stratford and for ages after the ticket barriers went active we’d get passengers asking to be let in without a ticket because they thought you didn’t need one for Sileverlink.

Hardly any wonder they didn’t make any money.

New Cross gets a bad service under LO. No trains before 9am on Sunday and trains every 30minutes in the evening.

There's a lot of Southeastern services that do stop at New Cross, do bear in mind. They run 4tph from 07:11 to 23:26 from New Cross all to Charing Cross, with alternating services stopping at St. Johns from 07:54.



That's a lot of people potentially wanting connections to the ELL. yes, they can go via Lewisham and Shadwell, but that's another change and rather slower.

Is there a reason for the reduced service during evenings and Sunday mornings.