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Post by redsetter on Apr 25, 2012 23:50:45 GMT
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Post by twobellstogo on Apr 26, 2012 8:06:13 GMT
I was only discussing this unit with a few people when 5149 was being taken away from Northwood. Seeing as 5056 was the last A stock to operate in public service on the east london line, another historical unit lost, what a shame. Although 5056/7 was a regular on the East London Line, the last unit to run in public service there was 5066/7 : which was scrapped a fair while back.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2012 8:37:35 GMT
The next likely northwood victims might be... 5151, 5014 5225, 5070
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Post by malcolmffc on Apr 27, 2012 11:59:51 GMT
Are they both likely to go next week?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2012 12:00:49 GMT
5151 and 5014 is mondays run.
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Post by a60 on Apr 27, 2012 15:43:04 GMT
Leaving the following bastions of A Stock, out of existence. 5000-009 (5000 final) 5050-059 (5057 final) 5070-079 (5070 final) 5140-149 (5149 final) 5150-159 (5151 final) 5170-179 (5177 final) 5190-199 (5195 final) 5220-229 (5225 final)
Three more bastions being consigned to history. 5034, 5046, 5134, 5203, 5219 represent 5 endangered groups...
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Post by graeme186 on Apr 27, 2012 20:16:54 GMT
The next likely northwood victims might be... 5151, 5014 5225, 5070 Thank you for the info again undergrounddriver.
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Post by graeme186 on Apr 27, 2012 20:24:41 GMT
The next likely northwood victims might be... 5151, 5014 5225, 5070 Thank you for the info again undergrounddriver. As you no doubt know, 5070+5225 were formed up today
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2012 22:04:46 GMT
Saw 5150 + 5014 for probably the last time today, passing Neasden dpt at around 1645 today, it was parked outside the sheds on the north side!
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Post by redsetter on Apr 28, 2012 19:48:51 GMT
i spoke to a friend in wembley he said he likes the new trains and was glad to see the back of the old ones.
i don't agree as everyone sees differently, some see deeper and those are the ones that favour the A stock.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2012 20:43:45 GMT
Saw 5224 + 5070 shunting around outside the shed on the north side of Neasden this evening
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Post by malcolmffc on Apr 29, 2012 9:02:04 GMT
some see deeper and those are the ones that favour the A stock. Care to explain?
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Post by andypurk on Apr 29, 2012 12:37:21 GMT
Is CF booths the one in Rotherham? If so maybe they cant take the small branch lines? Which "small branch lines" are they? Booths is off the Sheffield - Donny line and I believe stock has been transferred by rail before - there is a connection. I'd assume they could go up the MML. But the access to Booths is via a small branch line which passes underneath the Barrow Hill line.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2012 12:49:54 GMT
Agreed. The Met will never be the same again. When the T stock and Dreadnoughts went 50 years ago, there would have been the same sadness. The A stock is not a Metropolitan Railway train, but it feels like it. The S stock won't last 50 years. It doesn't have the build quality. The A stock represents everything LT stood for, those values are now lacking. I would thought that the transition from T stock, Dreadnoughts and the Met's steam and electric Bo-Bo locos to A stock was far, far more disliked than A stock to S stock. I am sure the great John Betjeman was bereaved about being transported in cold, soulless tin cans through Metroland, when he did his film in the early 1970s.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2012 12:55:04 GMT
Which "small branch lines" are they? Booths is off the Sheffield - Donny line and I believe stock has been transferred by rail before - there is a connection. I'd assume they could go up the MML. But the access to Booths is via a small branch line which passes underneath the Barrow Hill line. So that is why we are not seeing this.....
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Post by andypurk on Apr 29, 2012 13:01:49 GMT
But the access to Booths is via a small branch line which passes underneath the Barrow Hill line. So that is why we are not seeing this..... Yes, down a small branch line. The question was 'Which "small branch lines" are they?'.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2012 13:43:40 GMT
i don't agree as everyone sees differently, some see deeper and those are the ones that favour the A stock. So, what you're saying is anyone like me who likes S Stock has no depth of sight. That's a bit elitist of you if isn't it? I liked travelling on A Stock as well, apart from the bouncy ride and the bad smells but now they're going it's hardly the end of the world is it? Let's be honest here, we're talking about the scrapping of a stock after 50 years or so in service. These trains replaced what quite a few regard as the epitomy of Metroploitan Line uniqueness. I'm interested to know what stance you'd have taken when the A Stock was introduced. Would you have been one of those with the depth of sight to have complained about the introduction of the aluminium tin cans over the classy compartment stock then in service?
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Post by metman on Apr 29, 2012 13:59:49 GMT
I'm sure most people on this forum would have been sad to see the brown trains go 50 years ago. It's what you are used to. The thing with the S stock is it isn't a very interesting train for the enthusiast. Couple (see what I did there!) this to the fact that it will replace all the sub-surface trains within the next 5 year thus ending any interest between the lines and their trains.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2012 14:11:30 GMT
I know what you mean, but simple economics dictate commonality of stock. Nostalgia is one thing and I appreciate that but some of the language being used to describe A Stock passing is bordering on the hysterical: "shocking scenes" etc. Once again, it's only a train. As a comparison, I think Spitfires are one of the most beautiful fighter aircraft ever constructed but I wouldn't be too happy being asked to go and shoot down a MiG29 with one and neither would the majority of the British public I'd guess.
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Post by metman on Apr 29, 2012 14:30:25 GMT
Ha ha. Love a good Spitfire, both winged and in a pint glass!
There are a lot of people on here that don't know anything other than the A stock. It's hard for people. It was lucky it was raining when I filmed 5056-57 for the last time at Northwood.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2012 15:22:13 GMT
I'm sure most people on this forum would have been sad to see the brown trains go 50 years ago. It's what you are used to. The thing with the S stock is it isn't a very interesting train for the enthusiast. Couple (see what I did there!) this to the fact that it will replace all the sub-surface trains within the next 5 year thus ending any interest between the lines and their trains. It is a real pity that they did not add a few extra nice design touches to the S8 stock, which I think could been easily done. We can't even have Met coloured handrails! Even though the S8s are not 100% appropiate for the Met, the situation of the class 159s from Waterloo to the West Country and considering the former service provided by class 50s with MK2 coaches makes the S8s look good.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2012 15:53:04 GMT
i don't agree as everyone sees differently, some see deeper and those are the ones that favour the A stock. So, what you're saying is anyone like me who likes S Stock has no depth of sight. That's a bit elitist of you if isn't it? I liked travelling on A Stock as well, apart from the bouncy ride and the bad smells but now they're going it's hardly the end of the world is it? Let's be honest here, we're talking about the scrapping of a stock after 50 years or so in service. These trains replaced what quite a few regard as the epitomy of Metroploitan Line uniqueness. I'm interested to know what stance you'd have taken when the A Stock was introduced. Would you have been one of those with the depth of sight to have complained about the introduction of the aluminium tin cans over the classy compartment stock then in service? As a child travelling on public transport in London in the 1970s, the LT 1938, CO/CP and R stocks and the Southern Region EPBs, and DEMU Thumpers were far more captivating , A stocks were, even in original condition, with a train guard and not graffiti scarred no comparison. I even thought the clean lines of the Metro Cammel D stocks, especially prior to the hopper windows being fitted and handrails (now gone), the ride, the sound they made were a cut above A stocks. The lack of guard, not running as 4 car units and the refurb has ruined anything they had. Many mourned the end of the Routemaster in London, but in my eyes they were shameful in every respect with horrible refurb interiors and dam awful jerky engines and some even thought it was justified to send death threats to Peter Hendy, God oh mighty! The RMs were put out of their misery.
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Post by A60stock on Apr 29, 2012 16:03:07 GMT
im away until june, when im back how many a stock will be around and will it be possible to catch them in service regularly like as present?
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Post by metman on Apr 29, 2012 17:05:36 GMT
I would expect there to be some units left but only used in the peaks.
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Post by djlynch on Apr 29, 2012 18:58:21 GMT
But the access to Booths is via a small branch line which passes underneath the Barrow Hill line. So that is why we are not seeing this..... Am I misinterpreting that video or did the train end up on the line towards Princes Risborough rather than Amersham? I assume that it would then get onto the Met via Ruislip Depot connection, but why not go via the more direct route?
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Post by metman on Apr 29, 2012 19:15:14 GMT
It went from Neasden-Aylesbury-P Risboro'(via Little Kimble)-Derby
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Post by andypurk on Apr 29, 2012 19:20:48 GMT
So that is why we are not seeing this..... Am I misinterpreting that video or did the train end up on the line towards Princes Risborough rather than Amersham? I assume that it would then get onto the Met via Ruislip Depot connection, but why not go via the more direct route? The train is going north, away from LU. The first shots show the painted unit at the front, leaving Wembley Park heading north. These are then followed by the train heading for Princes Risborough, after the reversal / run round north of Aylesbury, with the unpainted unit at the front.
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Post by djlynch on Apr 29, 2012 19:24:30 GMT
Thanks. Hadn't thought about reversing, although I did think it was a bit strange for what looked like unrefurbished stock to be passing through southbound.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2012 19:49:46 GMT
5224 and 5070 in service today
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Post by metman on Apr 30, 2012 8:40:36 GMT
Good! Perhaps they'll last the week.
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