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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 9:21:43 GMT
You know what veritas, I really don't like your tone...
The luggage racks could easily be sold for a few mint!
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Post by rincew1nd on May 17, 2011 10:06:01 GMT
My God - a rack fetishist Am after one of those myself, just the little ones.
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Post by a60 on May 17, 2011 16:05:19 GMT
Ok then, Eastleigh is the best place for A Stock and any other to be scrapped, now we should go there, hold our arms up and sing a chorus of kumbaya! Veritas, it seems obvious that you work in Eastleigh, and therefore that you're biased. You told me not to believe Booth's never did, because that is not my source of info, nor am I going to your claims about Eastleigh, BIASED!!!
I agree with Charlie, you're being a bully! Don't discard other people's thoughts straight away, that is not only disrespectful, but also will not gain you any Brownie points.
Also, the racks could get £20 at least.
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Post by Ben on May 17, 2011 16:29:45 GMT
I'm hoping you have something of a dark sense of humour veritas? Echo the comments about the luggage racks. I think most of us want one, don't we? ;D ;D Definitely a missed trick there; considering TfL is making very little through scrappage you'd have thought they'd at least sell what they could for whatever they'd get.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 17:17:15 GMT
Gentlemen
I apologise if my tone offended. I'm new to this forum and I clearly failed to realise how much these trains mean to some of you. However a sense of humour is important isn't it? When all is said and done we are talking about an aluminium bracket not the Mona Lisa here.
As regards work, I am at work in my office now some 130 miles away from the South Coast although I do go that way pretty regularly and do know the people there from their time at the MOD. They are good people. To be honest as an ex southern man I am simply made up that the Works is still open for business years after it "shut". I also have done business with Booths and they too are good to work with, which is why I haven't bad mouthed them or anybody else. Their site is a wholly different place with trains only being a small part of what they do. However I can at least speak as somebody who has been to both locations
Still, if you want racks then why not contact them to ask to buy them? Or Booths when they had some?
Just trying to get a sense of perspective here Finally, at the risk of causing more offence, I do find it odd how certain some of you are of facts that you don't seem to have any way of knowing. For example LuL aren't making anything out of scrappage ? How do you know? Eastleigh used non eco conscious methods? Again, says who?
It seems to me that only a very few people on LuL know about these things and I doubt if they'd share that information
After all its was only last week you were certain these were all going to Booths. I don't think I'm alone in maybe needing to show a bit of humility
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 17:31:08 GMT
Rack fetishist? Sorry, but that really doesn't go together with "I apologise if my tone offended. I'm new to this forum and I clearly failed to realise how much these trains mean to some of you." I respectfully request, that you take a look back at your posts and think over what you have said. Whilst some is clearly informative, the rest of it is down right insulting. As for the sources of information, it doesn't take much to figure out that lorry transport alone will likely far exceed any money gained from the scrap value of the cars! Also, we are told that: From what I can remember being told, the company weren't especially happy with the way in which the aforementioned units had been scrapped, that CF would be their preferred mount. From what I can remember being told albeit after the original post. After the trial scrappings, the first 5179/5006, went to Booths, so it stands to reason, that surely these would go Booths as well. so it stands to reason. Nobody said they were certainTake a step back please. I can't see the Mods being too happy, but I'm a stubborn one. Be pedantic, and I shall be too.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 17:35:40 GMT
Ok then, Eastleigh is the best place for A Stock and any other to be scrapped, now we should go there, hold our arms up and sing a chorus of kumbaya! Veritas, it seems obvious that you work in Eastleigh, and therefore that you're biased. You told me not to believe Booth's never did, because that is not my source of info, nor am I going to your claims about Eastleigh, BIASED!!! I agree with Charlie, you're being a bully! Don't discard other people's thoughts straight away, that is not only disrespectful, but also will not gain you any Brownie points. Also, the racks could get £20 at least. Do you know what? I don't think thats the most charitable post I've ever read to a new member of a forum. Making a very small and not particularly funny joke about luggage racks is not a hanging offence either is it? I wouldn't say your post was written in polite or measured tones. I leave it to others to judge who has bullied and also who has posted the correct information. However perhaps I should keep quiet and leave it to you to post any future gen on these units.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 17:37:05 GMT
Vertias who even are you? You clearly don't have the knowledge that Charlie does, now stop the trolling for gods sake...
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 17:37:37 GMT
Rack fetishist? Sorry, but that really doesn't go together with "I apologise if my tone offended. I'm new to this forum and I clearly failed to realise how much these trains mean to some of you." I respectfully request, that you take a look back at your posts and think over what you have said. Whilst some is clearly informative, the rest of it is down right insulting. As for the sources of information, it doesn't take much to figure out that lorry transport alone will likely far exceed any money gained from the scrap value of the cars! Also, we are told that: From what I can remember being told, the company weren't especially happy with the way in which the aforementioned units had been scrapped, that CF would be their preferred mount. From what I can remember being told albeit after the original post. After the trial scrappings, the first 5179/5006, went to Booths, so it stands to reason, that surely these would go Booths as well. so it stands to reason. Nobody said they were certainTake a step back please. I can't see the Mods being too happy, but I'm a stubborn one. Be pedantic, and I shall be too. Your wish is granted. I will leave this forum to you all
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 17:44:26 GMT
Do you know what? I don't think thats the most charitable post I've ever read to a new member of a forum. Making a very small and not particularly funny joke about luggage racks is not a hanging offence either is it? I wouldn't say your post was written in polite or measured tones. I leave it to others to judge who has bullied and also who has posted the correct information. However perhaps I should keep quiet and leave it to you to post any future gen on these units. Never said it was! I am not the only person stating such, but maybe you should choose your words a little more carefully. I don't think your attempt at humour was particularly appropriate, and is understandable why several others took offense. You seem to have changed the meaning of my post. I quote myself: I respectfully request, that you take a look back at your posts and think over what you have said. Whilst some is clearly informative, the rest of it is down right insulting. Your information is appreciated, but perhaps a less demeaning tone would have been nice. So who are these "others" you speak of? Please, tell me. There seem to be other people than I or you that have spoken on the matter. Unless you are to mean others that have not been involved in the discussion, in which case I shall gladly let them speak up and decide. I still don't like your tone of 'mr i'm the innocent guy' that you have now brought on. Perhaps a slightly more jolly nature to this thread would be nice, and perhaps a continuation of this over PM, if you so wish, as to correct the major thread drift that has occured?
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Post by younglulnerd on May 17, 2011 18:16:39 GMT
My God - a rack fetishist Am after one of those myself, just the little ones. LOL! ;D But luggage racks could be sold to Heathrow Express... (OK, Farfetched) They could be used as shelves if bought by LU fans... Creativeness
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Post by a60 on May 17, 2011 18:21:28 GMT
To be honest, I cannot say which is a favourite, I live too far away from either. My curiosity lies now with 5179/5006, and why they went to Booth's?
Hope all well for 5166/7, 5066/7.
At times though, Booths can be a frightening place. As for the non-eco methods, that was what I and the member of staff had sussed out, admittedly we have probably jumped the gun way too early.
I'm now confused over who has got any contracts.... Please advise....
Nor am I saying that kumbaya was reverant or relevant! Also, replying to your comments that I was uncharitable, I am standing in for the majority. You haven't presented yourself as being a particularly nice individual. Who am I to judge?
I am not saying that it was right for me to say that, but I think your willful disregard for what other people have to say is downright rude.
I'm not mad on the racks, who ever said I was, but I think that we should respect those who want one.
Think about the wording, before posting, it will save us all the hardship. NOW BACK TO THE SUBJECT MATTER!!!!
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Post by rincew1nd on May 17, 2011 19:07:07 GMT
Gosh everyone is quite angry today aren't they? Hands up who wants a Vallium.... Also, the racks could get £20 at least. And then some, I've just paid £40 cash-in-hand for a narrow gauge headboard to be cast, I suspect there is more metal in a large luggage rack. I guess it depends on how deep the pockets of prospective purchasers are. Oh, did you know that the Co-op made record profits this year and shares its profits with charities, customers and staff.. ;D ;D
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Post by a60 on May 17, 2011 19:24:18 GMT
Gosh everyone is quite angry today aren't they? Hands up who wants a Vallium.... Take as directed....
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Post by redsetter on May 17, 2011 19:34:26 GMT
little has been seen in photographic terms of these disposals' and the indications are tfl aren't keen on those that have taken photos at northwood stating health and safety.
also the fact that no fixings from these units have surfaced for sale suggests that sale has been forbidden perhaps in the contract.the main concern is how may of these trains will survive no doubt a few will be left around the main depot,the Buckinghamshire railway museum may take one its hard to see that not happening at some point.
it seems strange that trains are making there own way to northwood when there's been so much talk of spares shortage and then taken away one car at a time from what looks to be a less then ideal location and means equally so,when the usual pictures tend to show they are towed for disposal behind locomotives.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 20:05:45 GMT
~snip~ I can't see the Mods being too happy, ~snip~ Hmm, you are spot on there! Guys, I'm not going to tip toe around this, but, please try and keep it civil.... I wouldn't mind a luggage rack myself, but seeing as I already have half a 59ts DM in the garage....
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Post by prjb on May 17, 2011 20:23:24 GMT
little has been seen in photographic terms of these disposals' and the indications are tfl aren't keen on those that have taken photos at northwood stating health and safety. In fairness, I asked very nicely! I'm sure everyone can appreciate the hazards of entering an operational site and furthermore the activities being conducted within the Northwood area make it dangerous even for LU staff. We rely on staff who have had experience in these sorts of activities (moving cars around without braking/power) to complete the removal safely. also the fact that no fixings from these units have surfaced for sale suggests that sale has been forbidden perhaps in the contract.the main concern is how may of these trains will survive no doubt a few will be left around the main depot,the Buckinghamshire railway museum may take one its hard to see that not happening at some point. The LT Museum have requested a DM with the option to maintain a four car unit. As for the fixings, it is not normal practise for LU to sell off items from outgoing stock. it seems strange that trains are making there own way to northwood when there's been so much talk of spares shortage and then taken away one car at a time from what looks to be a less then ideal location and means equally so,when the usual pictures tend to show they are towed for disposal behind locomotives. Removal at Northwood for road disposal is only a temporary solution and a more permanent rail based route will be secured in due course.
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Post by andypurk on May 17, 2011 20:32:37 GMT
Rack fetishist? Sorry, but that really doesn't go together with "I apologise if my tone offended. I'm new to this forum and I clearly failed to realise how much these trains mean to some of you." As some one who occasionally collects a bit of old train/signs etc., 'Rack fetishist' doesn't seem too insulting to me. It's not like there is going to be a demand for thousands of luggage racks (or other components) after all. There is a fine line between what seems insulting to one person and a joke to another. Doesn't that get to the point mentioned that, without knowing the actual prices being paid, we don't know whether a 'profit' is being made. Scrap metal prices are relatively high at the moment and there is a lot of metal in one car to offset road transport costs. Indeed, there seems to be a lot of criticism of a relatively new member who has maybe slightly mis-judged possible reaction to the tone of his posts, but not so much comment on incorrect information posted as 'fact' by other people.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 20:41:08 GMT
Quoting won't work properly. But I don't see how you can pull fact from the wording of said posts, if you care to peer.
Also; I fail to see how posting something that may offend some people but not others is appropriate; I took offense to it, the general tone IMO would be very hard to interpret as a joke, of the post in question.
As for haulage; Eastleigh is probably about 100 miles at a guess from Northwood. Haul 25 tons for that distance on the back of a flatbed lorry, and to be less than the scrap value? I still doubt it, given the amount of processing required to regain the scrap metal from the wood and plastics and other stuff that are mixed in!
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Post by prjb on May 17, 2011 20:42:49 GMT
I'm with Andypurk on this one, this is all very unlike this forum and not really honouring the principles of the man who set it up either. Can we all agree to disagree and get back on topic*? *= A first for me I know!
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Post by rincew1nd on May 17, 2011 20:52:23 GMT
I quite like being called a Rack Fetishist, quite tame compared to what some members of this forum put on YFrog...
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 20:55:01 GMT
Anybody know what units are out next?
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Post by Ben on May 17, 2011 20:59:02 GMT
it is not normal practise for LU to sell off items from outgoing stock. So what about old moquettes sold by the LT museum reused and retrimmed into various items? You've missed a good commercial oppertunity
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Post by rincew1nd on May 17, 2011 21:01:17 GMT
So what about old moquettes sold by the LT museum reused and retrimmed into various items? Going by the price I had always assumed that these were new moquette in the old pattern....
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 21:02:39 GMT
So what about old moquettes sold by the LT museum reused and retrimmed into various items? Going by the price I had always assumed that these were new moquette in the old pattern.... So had I. Also with the Overground one being available...
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 21:04:27 GMT
I'd always gone under the impression that the reason A's were not being removed by rail was because they were out of gauge with certain parts of the mainline network?
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Post by Ben on May 17, 2011 21:15:14 GMT
Some of it is or was; weren't there shoes or something with reused moquette from the district pre-refurb though? I remember someone commented that having seen what regularly went on them they wouldn't wear a pair even if steam cleaned or something!
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Post by a60 on May 18, 2011 17:57:47 GMT
Anybody know what units are out next? Depends on a variety of factors, the next could be chosen based on when the next booked scrap working is, moreso it could be down to which unit is available to be scrapped on the day. Or it could be down to recently failed unit. Or other factors which may be beyond our thinking. We don't quite yet know which day will see the next one set off.
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Post by metman on May 18, 2011 22:38:28 GMT
Let's hope it's not for a while....
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2011 14:58:49 GMT
For the record, these cars were outside at Eastleigh works in the 'scrap road' : 5066/6066/6067/6166/6167.
Dave
ps. These had no seats nor luggage racks before you ask ;D
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