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Post by cowmos on Feb 14, 2011 11:57:42 GMT
Any reason why the 0721 service left five minutes earlier than timetabled this morning? The LU chappy said "It's going to leave and there’s nothing I can do to stop it!”. A few minutes later an apology was read out over the tannoy - "Sorry I shouted at you all earlier!". Thankfully the 0754 service left on time!
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Post by jazza on Feb 14, 2011 11:59:46 GMT
Just a thought mate, might help if you give the station involved with 0721 early departure to assist those who might know the answer
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Post by jimini on Feb 14, 2011 12:02:57 GMT
Chesham, I'm guessing. One of my lot was late in this morning because of this.
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Post by vato on Feb 14, 2011 12:36:38 GMT
I luckily arrived at Chesham in time to catch the 0722 which left at 0715. I don't know if this was just the first train that got through after the earlier troubles at Baker St. Train was amazingly quiet all the way to Aldgate - I think a lot of folks who'd normally catch that train were still further north...
But in the past. it does cause major tut-tutting when the "emergency timetable" is implemented, where services leave 5-10 minutes before booked time on a half-hourly schedule leaving many behind. Even more harrumphing when you get turfed out at HotH as well. I guess there are reasons behind it, but the average punter just gets enraged. Ah well...
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Post by cowmos on Feb 14, 2011 12:50:28 GMT
Apologies - it was Chesham.
My wife gets the travel update alerts on her mobile at 0700 and she received one at that time stating there were severe delays on the Met due to a power failure at Baker Street. We didn't think more of it - the alert didn't mention anything about an emergency timetable being implemented (neither did the board at the station).
Is this information something that can be added to alerts and boards?
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Post by SE13 on Feb 14, 2011 12:57:35 GMT
My understanding was that it was some sort of emergency at Baker Street, though why that would lead to a shuttle leaving five minutes early is a mystery. Rest assured, someone from here will have been working or have the full story to hand, so stay tuned.
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Post by Colin D on Feb 14, 2011 15:20:06 GMT
Not sure if this makes any sense, but could that train have been scheduled to depart earlier given there were severe delays on the line?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 17:54:15 GMT
Perhaps it was the previous train running late, rather the early running of the 0721?
With the nature of the branch the next train may have been scheduled to arrive at Chalfont before the other train had left the branch so the train could not be delayed further?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 20:18:13 GMT
This happened a couple of weeks ago too. They run to the Sunday timetable usually because of problems caused by Engineering works and thus the train probably would have called All stations to Harrow and terminated there had the problem not have been solved before the train arrived there. Also, SE13 - Chesham doesn't have shuttles anymore
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 20:21:33 GMT
Also, SE13 - Chesham doesn't have shuttles anymore He was on it on the last day- I'm sure he knows ;D ;D
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Post by vato on Feb 14, 2011 22:17:36 GMT
Perhaps it was the previous train running late, rather the early running of the 0721? Normally, when the "emergency timetable" is in use, it is mentioned on posters and/or is announced - not this morning, so it could have easily been coincidence that the timing was identical.
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Post by citysig on Feb 15, 2011 17:51:07 GMT
There is no standard "emergency timetable." Over the last couple of months there have indeed been altered workings and planned cancellations, but there is not an actual service/timetable that we wheel out during times of disruption.
There may be occasions where we implement a special service due to a long-term failure, but it is implemented on a very ad hoc basis, and is normally engineered on the spot.
My money is on the train being the previous one running late, or indeed not even a scheduled Chesham service, but a diverted train from somewhere else. Yes it's annoying when such a train leaves "early." Obviously Chesham is one location where timings of trains are most easily noticed due to the infrequency of service. But unfortunately if this train had been, say an Amersham service prior to diversion, it can only make a swift turn-round at Chesham to avoid a huge gap where it should have been on the southbound.
Basically during times of disruption we'll provide trains where we can and hopefully at regular intervals, but cannot for obvious reasons guarantee they will turn up at the published times.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2011 18:11:28 GMT
There is no standard "emergency timetable." Over the last couple of months there have indeed been altered workings and planned cancellations, but there is not an actual service/timetable that we wheel out during times of disruption. There may be occasions where we implement a special service due to a long-term failure, but it is implemented on a very ad hoc basis, and is normally engineered on the spot. My money is on the train being the previous one running late, or indeed not even a scheduled Chesham service, but a diverted train from somewhere else. Yes it's annoying when such a train leaves "early." Obviously Chesham is one location where timings of trains are most easily noticed due to the infrequency of service. But unfortunately if this train had been, say an Amersham service prior to diversion, it can only make a swift turn-round at Chesham to avoid a huge gap where it should have been on the southbound. Basically during times of disruption we'll provide trains where we can and hopefully at regular intervals, but cannot for obvious reasons guarantee they will turn up at the published times. A couple of weeks ago when the train left Chesham at 7:15 rather than 7:22, the driver made a long and detailed PA explaining why it would be leaving early, and he clearly stated that they were running to yesterday's (Sunday's) timetable and that it would call at all stations to Harrow-on-the-Hill.
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Post by Harsig on Feb 15, 2011 19:01:27 GMT
A couple of weeks ago when the train left Chesham at 7:15 rather than 7:22, the driver made a long and detailed PA explaining why it would be leaving early, and he clearly stated that they were running to yesterday's (Sunday's) timetable and that it would call at all stations to Harrow-on-the-Hill. That was a one off incident whereby a specific problem caused the Met service to be suspended on the Monday morning over exactly the same area as it had been suspended during the weekend. Since it initially looked like being a long suspension and was known about before the first trains ran, the decision was taken to use the weekend's timetable initially rather than make up an ad-hoc service. It is very rare for this sort of thing to be done and indeed the circumstances in which it is possible are fairly rare; it was a great help that staff would still have had the timetable to hand, it having been used so recently. Even then it is not all plain sailing, particularly as regards train crewing. In the event I believe through services were restored from about 8:30 from which time we had the fun of trying to re-instate the normal Monday to Friday service.
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Post by metman on Feb 15, 2011 21:47:41 GMT
What happened tonight at Baker Street? One Chesham leaves and another comes 8 mins later! Where is this going to go at Chalfont?!?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2011 21:50:43 GMT
What happened tonight at Baker Street? One Chesham leaves and another comes 8 mins later! Where is this going to go at Chalfont?!? Would hope/imagine it would be diverted to Amersham, or be held back at HOTH...
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Post by metman on Feb 15, 2011 22:02:11 GMT
It'd have to have been. Sadly there was an Amersham train sandwiched between them- I was on it. Perhaps the second Chesham could have been held at Harrow, then run all stations to Chesham!
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Post by njr001 on Feb 15, 2011 22:46:51 GMT
I guess that explains why no 1930 departure from Chesham! - Just had to sit on the platform for half an hour with no information except for recorded announcements ' A good service is operating on all lines except the East London line which is closed.'
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Post by vato on Feb 16, 2011 1:02:25 GMT
There is no standard "emergency timetable." I'm sure that's true and thank you for explaining. I trust the information given here freely more than most other sources. I don't think I made it clear that I didn't think that was the case the other day. I was trying (yet failing) to show the coincidental similarity to when such measures were employed (with posters etc) and the very similar customer reaction thereto.
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Post by Ben on Feb 16, 2011 10:26:45 GMT
Seems chesham could really do with a member of staff about full time, considering the situation it finds itself in.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2011 10:58:10 GMT
Seems chesham could really do with a member of staff about full time, considering the situation it finds itself in. Oh very witty, Oscar. Events in the past twelve months would suggest that LUL are not looking to increase staffing levels in the foreseeable future.
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Post by metman on Feb 16, 2011 13:10:11 GMT
No, but as Ben suggests they should be!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2011 22:24:48 GMT
No, but as Ben suggests they should be! Oh ffs. LUL have just shed 650 positions on stations. They done this mostly by not filling vacancies. The top end of the Met is well known for being understaffed. What world do you live in? ?
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Post by metman on Feb 16, 2011 22:42:38 GMT
Sorry? Perhaps you don't understand me. I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm merely saying it would be ideal if a station such as Chesham, where there has clearly been a great deal of change to the way the service operates could benefit from all day staff. I'm well aware of the financial difficulties LUL and many other companies are in. Let's not begin the station staff debate now please.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2011 23:00:58 GMT
No, but as Ben suggests they should be! Oh ffs. LUL have just shed 650 positions on stations. They done this mostly by not filling vacancies. The top end of the Met is well known for being understaffed. What world do you live in? ? Being a chap who works on Met north end rather regularly, I think Ben is spot on. He's right that it would be nice to have a better standard of staffing at such places, but unfortunately as you say, things haven't worked out that way................ Thing is, it's not just an LU thing, but general in life, 'nice to have and need to have' is something that is prevalent in everything.
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Post by Ben on Feb 18, 2011 10:04:27 GMT
And for that matter its a pity that 'need to have' is so subjective depending on if you ask staff, management, unions, or politicians.
Whatever happened to the needs of the passenger.
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Post by Chris M on Feb 18, 2011 11:10:54 GMT
All of the above groups will be claiming their views best represent the needs of the passenger.
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Post by Phil on Feb 18, 2011 11:30:06 GMT
Whatever happened to the needs of the passenger? Nothing - so long as you're prepared for your fares to double next year and triple the year after............ If the size of the pot is limited and customers are not prepared to pay MUCH more, things will stay the same or get far worse. Just go forward to summer 2012 and all available station staff redeployed to crowd control at "olympic" stations (i.e.those with heavy loading/unloading predictions). The rest of the stations on the system will undoubtedly see far fewer staff unless the ODA finds a massive new pot of cash.......
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 11:55:05 GMT
Whatever happened to the needs of the passenger? Nothing - so long as you're prepared for your fares to double next year and triple the year after............ If the size of the pot is limited and customers are not prepared to pay MUCH more, things will stay the same or get far worse. Just go forward to summer 2012 and all available station staff redeployed to crowd control at "olympic" stations (i.e.those with heavy loading/unloading predictions). The rest of the stations on the system will undoubtedly see far fewer staff unless the ODA finds a massive new pot of cash....... Well they are saying that the Olympics is going to be delivered about £2bn under the new budget. Far above what it was meant to be still...
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