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Post by earlyelectric on Feb 5, 2011 12:22:26 GMT
Hi
Has anyone seen a valid original source for early district electrics painted scarlet? All other railway companies used red in the blue end of the spectrum (lake, crimson, maroon etc), but no-one else has a red in the yellow end of the spectrum. This makes scarlet seem an unlikely choice. The only "source" I have seen is Carter's Railway Liveries, which is unreferenced, and in any case is an unclear statement.
As far as I can make out livery was teak or brown before electrification, and maroon with teak or brown doors and windows not long after.
Jon Price
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Post by mrfs42 on Feb 5, 2011 13:08:50 GMT
I'm not so sure that you're correct on 'all other railway companies used red at the blue end', as I've worked on railway carriages that were painted in Venetian Red and Vermilion in the 1860s! In fact despite anecdotal evidence to the contrary there are several carriages still in these colours admittedly buried deep beneath later layers.
Returning to your original question - I have very briefly seen a painting specification for District Railway motors, but unfortunately a) I can't remember the detail and b) I can't remember exactly where in the room I saw it. I was busy researching and sorting out other stuff.
Perhaps tubeprune might have a better idea.
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Post by phillw48 on Feb 5, 2011 15:05:52 GMT
The 'London Underground Surface Stock Planbook' by Ian Huntley gives details of the livery of the early District electric stock. The livery of the 'B' stock is described as 'Crimson Lake with varnished wood doors'.
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Post by earlyelectric on Feb 5, 2011 15:22:16 GMT
Thanks for answers so far.
I admit my "all blue-red" statement was not necessarily accurate, should have been "most blue red".
The Huntley description matches the model I recall seeing a photo of from the London Transport Museum.
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Post by phillw48 on Feb 5, 2011 16:01:23 GMT
The 'A' stock was first painted in several experimental colours. One of these was described as 'bright scarlet' which was apparently a vermilion shade. Other colours tried were 'gamboge' a bright golden yellow and an olive green. The yellow and scarlet did not stay very clean for long and the olive green was thought to be too drab.
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Post by tubeprune on Feb 7, 2011 7:41:31 GMT
There was a specification for the original B Stock of 1905 which described the painting process. My copy "went missing" many years ago so I don't have the reference but the colour was described in publications of the time as "scarlet". My understanding is that it was slightly brighter than the "train red" used from the 1920s to the 1960s.
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Post by metroland on Feb 7, 2011 9:29:42 GMT
Currently on the home page of Radley Models: www.radleymodels.com/There's a pic of early stock in 'scarlet' - not sure if this is absolutely spot on, or if he's taken a punt at a reasonably good representation. eg for Met 'brown' stock he used to recommend British Leyland Oxford Brown (I think) which clearly came into existence later. However, given that any colour will age and weather it's more about getting a convincing look unless you want an ex-works example. |
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