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Post by Oracle on Jan 30, 2011 11:41:29 GMT
I apologise if this has been posted elsewhere but as a past fan of unusual workings, I am interested in the RR moves. This was taken from RailGen. Credit Geoff Brockett:The new siding was commissioned from start of traffic on 17th January. Apart from its obvious use for east to west reversals, the signalling also allows for west to east reversals using either platform. There are booked “rusty rail” workings each way in passenger service. Eastbound these are the 23.57 ex Hammersmith on Monday-Saturday evenings, due at West Ham at 00.45 (train 207 MF and 235 Sat.). On Sundays it is train 236, 23.24 ex Hammersmith due at West Ham at 00.14. Westbound the train leaves Barking at 05.20 Monday-Saturday, due at Plaistow at 05.28 (train 222 MF and 232 Sat.) On Sundays train 234 departs from Barking at 07.05 and is due at Plaistow at 07.13. This new siding is east of the station and connected to both running lines at each end, in the same style as Barons Court. For those who fancy some anti-social hours micro gricing, the piece I've prepared for Branch Line News is below. No guarantees that the trains will run through the siding of course
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Post by Colin on Jan 30, 2011 13:01:20 GMT
You are indeed well informed, though all of those are simply shown in the WTT as "via Sdg", so they just make use of the fact that the siding is colour light signalled and take the scenic route between West Ham & Plaistow - that's if it's even done; most rusty rails are never done unless an Instructor Operator has a training need. I'm actually wondering if the new siding has been used in anger yet, given what tfc said elsewhere on the forum: apparently because West Ham is devoid of TDs it won't be used for the time being other than in an emergency or for rusty rail moves, until April I believe. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2011 15:09:37 GMT
There is a "West Ham" display on the (refurbished) EB lightbox at Stepney Green, but whether it is able to be lit is another matter. A totally off the cuff thought from a totally non-engineer  - with reversing at Whitechapel out this weekend, I wonder if West Ham will take the place of Whitechapel in terms of train descriptions?? Just a thought ..... Over to our engineering experts please ..... |
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Post by Oracle on Jan 30, 2011 15:17:22 GMT
Robin Addison comments: According to TfL website, Embankment to West Ham section is closed 30 April to 2 May, so this new siding may well see use as a turnback....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2011 15:31:52 GMT
There is a "West Ham" display on the (refurbished) EB lightbox at Stepney Green, but whether it is able to be lit is another matter. A totally off the cuff thought from a totally non-engineer - with reversing at Whitechapel out this weekend, I wonder if West Ham will take the place of Whitechapel in terms of train descriptions?? Just a thought ..... Over to our engineering experts please ..... From what I believe West Ham will have its own T.D it will not take Whitechapel's place its just simply adding a another code. T.D is made of ABCDE codes e.g Barking ABC Barking Sidings AB (btw these are NOT correct codes) the E code on the District especially on the E/B is only used to identify H&C trains e.g Barking ABCE (H&C). From what I have heard West Ham will use a existing code with just a E on the end. The light box describer units all had a SPECIAL slot these have now been used for WEST HAM. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2011 16:00:30 GMT
Many thanks. Much appreciated.
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Post by sigdes on Feb 1, 2011 9:37:14 GMT
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The West Ham code has replaced the old Whitechapel code on both the EB and WB. The EB West Ham codes are AB (old District Whitechapel) or ABE (old Met Whitechapel). The WB code is ABE (old Whitechapel code).
The setup buttons are still the same in all the cabins/control centres i.e. 'WH'.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2011 10:02:41 GMT
Would have thought it would be sensible to reverse Hammersmith & City line trains at West Ham now rather than Plaistow if the siding is in the centre as then there's no need to cross the eastbound line.
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Post by mrfs42 on Feb 1, 2011 13:50:18 GMT
Just joined the forum and this is my first post! The West Ham code has replaced the old Whitechapel code on both the EB and WB. The EB West Ham codes are AB (old District Whitechapel) or ABE (old Met Whitechapel). The WB code is ABE (old Whitechapel code). The setup buttons are still the same in all the cabins/control centres i.e. 'WH'. Excellent - thank-you for that bit of information; could you give me an accurate date when the codes changed over, please? I have a master list of all TD codes to be updated. ;D - it now stands at nearly 600 entries, and doesn't include the ZZZ et al codes from the Met. ABE was ex-Aldgate on the EB, ex-Upminster on the WB and AB was ex-Ealing Broadway on the EB -in the sense of this is where the code starts and is used in that direction from intermediate points to the termination point of the code. |
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Post by sigdes on Feb 1, 2011 16:03:00 GMT
The codes changed over on the SOT 17 Jan. However as the siding isnt being used, I dont think anyone has tried to set a West Ham code yet from any of the set up points.
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Post by mrfs42 on Feb 1, 2011 16:16:02 GMT
The codes changed over on the SOT 17 Jan. However as the siding isnt being used, I dont think anyone has tried to set a West Ham code yet from any of the set up points. Lovely - I'll amend the master list - Thank-you! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2011 16:25:41 GMT
So Reg's non-engineering mind was right then  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2011 21:36:48 GMT
Would have thought it would be sensible to reverse Hammersmith & City line trains at West Ham now rather than Plaistow if the siding is in the centre as then there's no need to cross the eastbound line. True though a need to detrain before entering the siding is likely to generate a delay to the eastbound of similar magnitude albeit at a different time. (yes passengers can be carried through the siding, but for the moment would not generally be taken in there when a train is reversing there) |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2011 16:18:35 GMT
There always seems to be blocking back at West Ham now the H&C runs to Plaistow. I can see it being just as bad if not worse if regular West Ham reversers are bought in. They should have left a bay road or have a centre platform arrangement at Whitechapel to reverse the H&C clear of the through eastbound Districft swervice.
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Post by Harsig on Feb 7, 2011 16:59:18 GMT
The setup buttons are still the same in all the cabins/control centres i.e. 'WH'. Except at Baker St where four letter codes are used to display TDs to operators. Whitechapel was 'WHLX' (ABE) or 'WHLV' (AB) and these remain the codes displayed now that it is West Ham, even though the L in the code is now meaningless. ( X and V indicate via Kings X or via Victoria respectively). Mind you (and somewhat tongue in cheek) Baker St SCC has had a West Ham description for years, the self explanatory 'SMDW' As to when the change was made I've an idea that some platform DMIs were altered prior to the 17th January as, during the last week that reversing was possible at Whitechapel, there were several instances where train operators of Whitechapel trains complained that they were described as West Ham trains on the platform indicators. |
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- with reversing at Whitechapel out this weekend, I wonder if West Ham will take the place of Whitechapel in terms of train descriptions?? Just a thought ..... Over to our engineering experts please .....
