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Post by graeme186 on Oct 17, 2016 16:49:39 GMT
Class 20s with match wagons in Neasden Depot during the day. Presumably another train off for ATC fitment tonight? Whether an ATC fitted train was returned to London last night, I don't know? 21065/066 formed up with the class 20s. Obviously didn't depart Monday night. Still parked in klondyke sidings one week on and guess what's happened.... Surely this could have been foreseen and the train moved to a more secure location?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 7:17:56 GMT
21065/066 formed up with the class 20s. Obviously didn't depart Monday night. Still parked in klondyke sidings one week on and guess what's happened.... Surely this could have been foreseen and the train moved to a more secure location? This had gone by Tuesday morning. But on Monday the new S Stock was covered in graffiti.
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Post by roman80 on Oct 19, 2016 19:02:49 GMT
Any idea what regulates the air conditioning in S stock? Thermostat in each car? Centrally? I was in the front car of T47 this evening and it was pushing out very cold air.
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Post by philthetube on Oct 19, 2016 21:41:52 GMT
certainly the temperature is not consistent throughout the train.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Nov 11, 2016 10:10:57 GMT
TfL have published this erroneous internal news item (forgetting that 21467/68 and 21547/48 are still to deliver to London !!)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 20:05:59 GMT
With most of S7 stock now in London, any news on the last few going into service 21381 21467 21547
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 5, 2016 21:03:52 GMT
With most of S7 stock now in London, any news on the last few going into service 21381 21467 21547 21381/82 is in London awaiting entry into service. 21467/68 21547/48 are still to be delivered to London, both being used as ATC test trains.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 22:39:55 GMT
With most of S7 stock now in London, any news on the last few going into service 21381 21467 21547 21381/82 is in London awaiting entry into service. 21467/68 21547/48 are still to be delivered to London, both being used as ATC test trains. Thanks for the info! Does anyone know why 21444 has stickers over the carriage numbers externally? Was the wrong number put onto them at the factory?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 5, 2016 23:41:33 GMT
Does anyone know why 21444 has stickers over the carriage numbers externally? Was the wrong number put onto them at the factory? in 2015, 21444/45 and 21446/47 both carried the "SSR Upgrade - this is one of 191 new trains . . " livery - when this was removed the numbers came with it!
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Post by phoenixcronin on Dec 6, 2016 20:46:20 GMT
I've also noticed 21359/60 has a weird set of car numbers, smaller than usual. I presume this is because it carried the Poppy Livery? Hopefully they'll all get sorted out at some point!
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Post by mb2014 on Dec 27, 2016 11:55:57 GMT
Why is it taking so long for the stopped S8 trains to return from Bombardier? They have had 21049/50 since the start of July for instance.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 27, 2016 13:30:48 GMT
Why is it taking so long for the stopped S8 trains to return from Bombardier? They have had 21049/50 since the start of July for instance. I would guess as these are the first of the batch to be fitted, they would take longer than those which follow.
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Post by crusty54 on Dec 27, 2016 14:12:20 GMT
Why is it taking so long for the stopped S8 trains to return from Bombardier? They have had 21049/50 since the start of July for instance. I would guess as these are the first of the batch to be fitted, they would take longer than those which follow. they will be waiting for the system testing to be completed at the Old Dalby test track. Any changes/updates will need to be installed before they return.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2017 22:18:00 GMT
Are there any ATC fitted units in London at present, S8 or S7? Are 547 and 467 being used as test units, or is there another reason they've not made it down to London?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 11, 2017 22:28:46 GMT
Are there any ATC fitted units in London at present, S8 or S7? Are 547 and 467 being used as test units, or is there another reason they've not made it down to London? No ATC fitted trains have yet returned to London, although the first is very imminent. You are correct 21467/68 21547/48 have yet to be delivered to London and are being used as ATC test trains.
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Post by phoenixcronin on Jan 21, 2017 18:38:33 GMT
What are the two grey things located next to each set of headlights? They look like they turn and are sometimes not straight.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 21, 2017 19:01:03 GMT
What are the two grey things located next to each set of headlights? They look like they turn and are sometimes not straight. Behind them are the emergency communication sockets. Both side are identical and either can be used to attach communications jumper, located in cab toolbox, in the event of coupling to another S Stock in emergency.
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Post by phoenixcronin on Jan 21, 2017 19:14:54 GMT
What are the two grey things located next to each set of headlights? They look like they turn and are sometimes not straight. Behind them are the emergency communication sockets. Both side are identical and either can be used to attach communications jumper, located in cab toolbox, in the event of coupling to another S Stock in emergency. Cheers. Any idea why they are sometimes not straight? Is it simply a case of not screwing them in properly?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 22, 2017 12:25:58 GMT
Cheers. Any idea why they are sometimes not straight? Is it simply a case of not screwing them in properly? The fitting is similar to a lightbulb bayonet style, they are tight to turn and are sometimes left without the final twist.
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Post by phoenixcronin on Feb 19, 2017 20:23:48 GMT
Since 21049/50 has recently returned from ATC fitment, I was wondering if there are any visual clues which distinguish an ATC train?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 20:44:44 GMT
Since 21049/50 has recently retuned from ATC fitment, I was wondering if there are any visual clues which distinguish an ATC train? There is one noticeable exterior difference. The cab fronts have two grey blocks on the top. One each above the main glass panels.
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Post by rincew1nd on Feb 19, 2017 22:55:18 GMT
Since 21049/50 has recently retuned from ATC fitment, I was wondering if there are any visual clues which distinguish an ATC train? There is one noticeable exterior difference. The cab fronts have two grey blocks on the top. One each above the main glass panels. Does anyone have a picture?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 20, 2017 13:10:16 GMT
Does anyone have a picture? © Jason Cross
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 24, 2017 16:14:21 GMT
S8 21049/50 was back in service today, showing its newly fitted ATC Automatic Train Control antenna.
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Post by phoenixcronin on Feb 28, 2017 19:49:37 GMT
Purple mood lighting! Very nice!
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Post by roman80 on Mar 2, 2017 12:09:26 GMT
With the new working timetable from May, how significant is the improvement in journey times once its only S stock that the timetable is based on? Curious how many minutes are anticipated to be saved on an end to end run, such as Wimbledon to Upminster.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 2, 2017 13:27:14 GMT
With the new working timetable from May, how significant is the improvement in journey times once its only S stock that the timetable is based on? Curious how many minutes are anticipated to be saved on an end to end run, such as Wimbledon to Upminster No significant changes are coming this year, we will still have the legacy signalling and speed restrictions as now. 'runtime improvements' are planned from December 2020.
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Post by roman80 on Mar 2, 2017 14:14:05 GMT
With the new working timetable from May, how significant is the improvement in journey times once its only S stock that the timetable is based on? Curious how many minutes are anticipated to be saved on an end to end run, such as Wimbledon to Upminster No significant changes are coming this year, we will still have the legacy signalling and speed restrictions as now. 'runtime improvements' are planned from December 2020. Thanks. I saw a tfl response to a freedom of information request on the web which prompted the question. Link is below for others that are interested. www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/timetables?unfold=1
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Post by North End on Mar 2, 2017 14:48:14 GMT
With the new working timetable from May, how significant is the improvement in journey times once its only S stock that the timetable is based on? Curious how many minutes are anticipated to be saved on an end to end run, such as Wimbledon to Upminster No significant changes are coming this year, we will still have the legacy signalling and speed restrictions as now. 'runtime improvements' are planned from December 2020. It will be interesting to see what runtime improvements are achieved in practice. If we end up with gentle brake rates like on JNUP, I really can't see much speeding up. The Northern Line got some improvement through uncapping the performance of the rolling stock plus some slight improvements in line speed (starting from a low base compared to some other lines). The 4LM lines won't benefit so much from this, and if the brake rate ends up being gentle like on JNUP then they will suffer as a far greater proportion of running will be in the open air. Time will tell...
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Post by t697 on Mar 2, 2017 20:41:52 GMT
No significant changes are coming this year, we will still have the legacy signalling and speed restrictions as now. 'runtime improvements' are planned from December 2020. Thanks. I saw a tfl response to a freedom of information request on the web which prompted the question. Link is below for others that are interested. www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/timetables?unfold=1Since they went into service, S8 has had the low speed acceleration increased so the station run-outs can be faster now. This is still within the existing signal limitations. With D78 stock gone the station dwell times should be reliably a little shorter with the wider doorways making alighting and boarding faster. The S stock has the in-town and out-of-town performance levels switched automatically so there should be no slow ones stuck in the low setting out of town. S7 stock is governed to just about the current line speed limits rather than D stock's slightly slower 'coasting' speed. All tiny increments but maybe the new timetable takes a little advantage from all that.
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