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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 19:31:01 GMT
So more S7s on the District than the D-Stock then. S7- 39/D 36
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Post by wimblephil on Nov 29, 2015 0:06:34 GMT
I've just boarded a train at Wimbledon. As I got to the platform, none of the doors on first car were open, but a stream of people were exiting from the rest of the train (which left a lot of people in the first car frantically pushing the buttons!). I assumed that perhaps the train didn't hit it's mark correctly and so none of the first and last doors opened, however upon walking through the train to the last car, all doors were open. Just curious as to what may have caused none of the first to be open, but all of the last? If the train detects it's still within the platform and the Operator has kept the TBC in the braking arc, the train would only keep the front 3-doors closed, if the Operator stopped beyond the mark. Is there a way to describe this in more simplistic terms!? The bit I don't understand is "the Operator has kept the TBC in the braking arc" sorry if I'm being thick! I'm interested in the technicalities of it but don't always understand! Video tech I get, but Trains I'm still playing catchup! Is this the most likely cause tho!? On a separate note, when is the nominated workings scheduled to switch?
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 29, 2015 0:19:15 GMT
If the train detects it's still within the platform and the Operator has kept the TBC in the braking arc, the train would only keep the front 3-doors closed, if the Operator stopped beyond the mark. Is there a way to describe this in more simplistic terms!? The bit I don't understand is "the Operator has kept the TBC in the braking arc" sorry if I'm being thick! I'm interested in the technicalities of it but don't always understand! Video tech I get, but Trains I'm still playing catchup! Is this the most likely cause tho!? On a separate note, when is the nominated workings scheduled to switch? But the platforms at Wimbledon are significantly longer than the trains... they could even take S8 trains, it does not matter that the train end would be beyond the "passengers must not pass this point" sign as the whole train would still be at platform face. Simon
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 0:23:28 GMT
If the train detects it's still within the platform and the Operator has kept the TBC in the braking arc, the train would only keep the front 3-doors closed, if the Operator stopped beyond the mark. Is there a way to describe this in more simplistic terms!? The bit I don't understand is "the Operator has kept the TBC in the braking arc" sorry if I'm being thick! I'm interested in the technicalities of it but don't always understand! Video tech I get, but Trains I'm still playing catchup! Is this the most likely cause tho!? On a separate note, when is the nominated workings scheduled to switch? The TBC is the Traction Brake Controller. You twist it (this provides the dead man functionality, if you let it go, it springs back and the emergency brakes come on) and then push it forward. You can see a picture of it on this page (under "In the cab"), it's the reddish-pink handle with a big yellow button on it (passenger emergency alarm acknowledge). You push it forward to accelerate - the further you push it forward, the more power you draw. You pull it back towards you to brake - the further you pull it back, the harder you brake. If you pull it all the way back, it will slot into the emergency brake position. Now, the way the "handle" (the TBC) moves is through an arc, with 100% brakes at the back and the 0% brakes at the front of the braking arc. Then, of course, there's 100% power at the very end of the full arc. So if it's still within that braking arc, if it's in a braking position, then it's kept in the braking arc.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 0:28:39 GMT
Is there a way to describe this in more simplistic terms!? The bit I don't understand is "the Operator has kept the TBC in the braking arc" sorry if I'm being thick! I'm interested in the technicalities of it but don't always understand! Video tech I get, but Trains I'm still playing catchup! Is this the most likely cause tho!? On a separate note, when is the nominated workings scheduled to switch? But the platforms at Wimbledon are significantly longer than the trains... they could even take S8 trains, it does not matter that the train end would be beyond the "passengers must not pass this point" sign as the whole train would still be at platform face. Simon Yes but the beacon defines a stricter stopping position than that and if you're not in the accurate stop position defined by the beacon, then that's all there is to it. It's the beacon that tells the train whether it's in the right place. If you're not within the limits defined by the beacon (you are, after all, strictly speaking, not correctly berthed), it cuts out the doors of the front car, as it would for a normal platform overrun, where, in many cases, some or all of the doors on the front car would, indeed, be beyond the end of the platform. You could make this behaviour location specific, but why bother?
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Post by class411 on Nov 29, 2015 9:38:05 GMT
You can see a picture of it on this page (under "In the cab"), it's the reddish-pink handle with a big yellow button on its is through an arc, with 100% brakes at the back and the 0% brakes at the front of the braking arc. Then, of course, there's 100% power at the very end of the full arc. So if it's still within that braking arc, if it's in a braking position, then it's kept in the braking arc. Can the drivers rotate that? It looks to be oriented in just about the most uncomfortable way possible. Or is that deliberate to keep them awake?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 10:19:34 GMT
The handle is in the rotated position (if pushed forward it will give power).
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Post by domh245 on Nov 29, 2015 10:35:38 GMT
The handle as photographed is in the 'neutral' position, moving it won't have any effect on the train, similarly to how C stock wouldn't be affected by moving the CTBC when it was raised up. To activate the handle, it is rotated 90 degrees about itself (so that the main handle part currently facing the window now face the offside door). In that position it can then be rotated forward and backward to operate the train
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 16:14:46 GMT
You can see a picture of it on this page (under "In the cab"), it's the reddish-pink handle with a big yellow button on its is through an arc, with 100% brakes at the back and the 0% brakes at the front of the braking arc. Then, of course, there's 100% power at the very end of the full arc. So if it's still within that braking arc, if it's in a braking position, then it's kept in the braking arc. Can the drivers rotate that? It looks to be oriented in just about the most uncomfortable way possible. Or is that deliberate to keep them awake? Here's a video. Go to, e.g., 40 seconds.
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Post by wimblephil on Nov 29, 2015 16:41:24 GMT
Is there a way to describe this in more simplistic terms!? The bit I don't understand is "the Operator has kept the TBC in the braking arc" sorry if I'm being thick! I'm interested in the technicalities of it but don't always understand! Video tech I get, but Trains I'm still playing catchup! Is this the most likely cause tho!? On a separate note, when is the nominated workings scheduled to switch? The TBC is the Traction Brake Controller. You twist it (this provides the dead man functionality, if you let it go, it springs back and the emergency brakes come on) and then push it forward. You can see a picture of it on this page (under "In the cab"), it's the reddish-pink handle with a big yellow button on it (passenger emergency alarm acknowledge). You push it forward to accelerate - the further you push it forward, the more power you draw. You pull it back towards you to brake - the further you pull it back, the harder you brake. If you pull it all the way back, it will slot into the emergency brake position. Now, the way the "handle" (the TBC) moves is through an arc, with 100% brakes at the back and the 0% brakes at the front of the braking arc. Then, of course, there's 100% power at the very end of the full arc. So if it's still within that braking arc, if it's in a braking position, then it's kept in the braking arc. I see! Thanks for the detailed explanation!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 13:07:11 GMT
As of 1st December the nominated workings on the District line swap from S stock to D stock. D stock will usually be allocated to the following (MF) workings :
1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, 11, 12, 14, 15, 20, 26, 30, 33, 35, 54, 62, 63, 65, 66, 67, 101, 102, 103, 105, 106, 107, 124, 125 (29 trains)
All other workings will be formed of S stock.
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Post by superteacher on Dec 1, 2015 20:57:14 GMT
And if 4 S stocks arrive per month from now on, all the D's will be gone by late Summer 2016. So all is on track.
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Post by philthetube on Dec 1, 2015 21:27:06 GMT
And if 4 S stocks arrive per month from now on, all the D's will be gone by late Summer 2016. So all is on track. Pun intended?
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Post by superteacher on Dec 1, 2015 22:24:48 GMT
And if 4 S stocks arrive per month from now on, all the D's will be gone by late Summer 2016. So all is on track. Pun intended? No, but I'll take the credit all the same!
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Post by wimblephil on Dec 1, 2015 22:29:10 GMT
And if 4 S stocks arrive per month from now on, all the D's will be gone by late Summer 2016. So all is on track. Is that the plan? So one per week from here on in?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 22:29:51 GMT
Unlikely.
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Post by superteacher on Dec 1, 2015 22:34:20 GMT
Back on topic to S Stock with a quick update. December and January will see the number of S7s delivered to the SSR increasing to 94 and the aim will be to add at least 4 trains a month from then onwards. Edit : should also have said that "nominated workings" will switch from S stock to D stock in the next few weeks. The list of specific workings hasn't been confirmed yet. According to the post above, it will be at least 4 per month from Jan.
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Post by domh245 on Dec 1, 2015 22:35:36 GMT
Back on topic to S Stock with a quick update. December and January will see the number of S7s delivered to the SSR increasing to 94 and the aim will be to add at least 4 trains a month from then onwards. Edit : should also have said that "nominated workings" will switch from S stock to D stock in the next few weeks. The list of specific workings hasn't been confirmed yet. According to the post above, it will be at least 4 per month from Jan. Operative word in that post being 'aim'!
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Post by superteacher on Dec 1, 2015 22:37:09 GMT
There are always provisos!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 23:14:26 GMT
The most deliveries in 1 month I can remember is 6 (October 13) so it is possible in theory to do 8 per month but unlikely to happen.
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Post by class411 on Dec 2, 2015 8:02:09 GMT
When the H&C line stock was being replaced I seemed that it was dribs and drabs for some months and then, suddenly, over a few weeks, the C Stock were no more.
That was probably down to nothing more than randomly not seeing many S-Stock at the beginning and, coincidentally, randomly not seeing many C Stock at the end, but the impression persists.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 2, 2015 8:41:27 GMT
Once all the drivers are trained, the depots and sidings are configured, platforms extended, signals and other infrastructure moved, it became easier to accept the new trains into service.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 2, 2015 12:31:46 GMT
Once all the drivers are trained, the depots and sidings are configured, platforms extended, signals and other infrastructure moved,............. And presumably once you are sure all the teething troubles have been fixed. Much easier to work around a problem if it only affects one or two trains - but if the problem affects half the trains in service you have a crisis. Recall the Glasgow "Blue Trains" which were launched in a "Big Bang", in more ways than one when transformers started exploding, resulting in a hasty reintroduction of steam.
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Post by rincew1nd on Dec 18, 2015 11:00:58 GMT
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 18, 2015 13:00:50 GMT
Except the already mentioned Train 192, to be built later in 2016
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2015 19:01:11 GMT
Except the already mentioned Train 192, to be built later in 2016 Indeed! There is some press coverage planned of the last S stock (except the actual last one) to be built so you may see something on the news. Back to S stock deliveries. There will be a short break over Christmas then the 150th train to be rolled out will enter service from 6th Jan. Only 41 + 1 to go.
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Post by superteacher on Dec 19, 2015 11:17:05 GMT
So at the moment there are 29 scheduled D stock workings. Is this what's happening in reality?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2015 17:24:35 GMT
So at the moment there are 29 scheduled D stock workings. Is this what's happening in reality? At the moment there are usually around 29 +/- 2 or 3. From checking over the last couple of weeks at least 27 are on the scheduled workings. Once the number of actual D stocks left starts to drop closer to 29 some of the nominated workings will be withdrawn. I'd expect this would get further reduced every month or so from the end of January. Planning the "last D stock" activities will need to start soon as there are a number of platform alterations we need to get done once they are all gone so they won't be able to run round much after the last scheduled working has finished.
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Post by Colin on Dec 19, 2015 19:27:43 GMT
What about the plan to retain 10 D stocks whilst the S7's go back for ATO fitment?
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Post by superteacher on Dec 19, 2015 19:47:16 GMT
What about the plan to retain 10 D stocks whilst the S7's go back for ATO fitment? Surely there will be enough S7's to cover during the ATO conversion? The number of S7's ordered caters for the future service increases under ATO, so there will be considerable over provision with the current service levels.
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