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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2011 23:00:51 GMT
According to a poster that I saw today (and I think I've got this right!), the ELL is not running between Shadwell and Canada Water until 1015 this coming Sunday morning. I was just wondering where the crossovers are that would permit such an operation.
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Post by andypurk on Jan 24, 2011 23:11:43 GMT
According to a poster that I saw today (and I think I've got this right!), the ELL is not running between Shadwell and Canada Water until 1015 this coming Sunday morning. I was just wondering where the crossovers are that would permit such an operation. North of Shadwell and South of Canada Water  Both are scissors crossovers allowing access to/from either track from both platforms at the stations. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2011 17:29:14 GMT
Seems as though there's now greater operational flexibility on the ELL than there used to be. My (old) track plan of the 'old' ELL shows just a scissors crossover south of Whitechapel and a trailing crossover north of Surrey Docks (which just goes to show how old the track plan is!).
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Post by bicbasher on Jan 25, 2011 19:43:02 GMT
I think this is the first time the core ELL section has been closed for engineering works since it opened?
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Post by andypurk on Jan 30, 2011 12:19:13 GMT
This morning, all trains were reversing in the southbound platform at Shadwell, using the crossover on departure.
At Canada Water, the West Croydon trains were reversing in platform 4 (the normal northbound, using the crossover on departure) and the Crystal Palace trains were reversing in platform 3 (using the other crossover on arrival).
There were a fair number of confused passengers at both Shadwell and Canada Water, especially people wanting the northbound trains from Canada Water as there were no staff on the platforms to ask for advice (there were at Shadwell) and not many announcements.
Edited to correct silly mistake
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2011 16:02:09 GMT
This morning, all trains were reversing in the southbound platform at Shadwell, using the crossover on departure. At Canada Water, the West Croydon trains were reversing in platform 4 (the normal southbound, using the crossover on departure) and the Crystal Palace trains were reversing in platform 3 (using the other crossover on arrival). There were a fair number of confused passengers at both Shadwell and Canada Water, especially people wanting the northbound trains from Canada Water as there were no staff on the platforms to ask for advice (there were at Shadwell) and not many announcements. Platform 4 at Canada Water is the normal Northbound platform, not Southbound. |
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Post by Tomcakes on Jan 30, 2011 16:11:09 GMT
Wait - wasn't the ELL only recently re-opened?! If so, why the need for disruption already?!
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Post by andypurk on Jan 30, 2011 16:25:19 GMT
This morning, all trains were reversing in the southbound platform at Shadwell, using the crossover on departure. At Canada Water, the West Croydon trains were reversing in platform 4 (the normal southbound, using the crossover on departure) and the Crystal Palace trains were reversing in platform 3 (using the other crossover on arrival). There were a fair number of confused passengers at both Shadwell and Canada Water, especially people wanting the northbound trains from Canada Water as there were no staff on the platforms to ask for advice (there were at Shadwell) and not many announcements. Platform 4 at Canada Water is the normal Northbound platform, not Southbound. Indeed it is, too many 'bounds' in that paragraph. |
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Post by andypurk on Jan 30, 2011 16:31:16 GMT
Wait - wasn't the ELL only recently re-opened?! If so, why the need for disruption already?! Being closed for a 2-3 hours early on a Sunday morning just seems like time being allowed for undertaking 'normal' checks etc. on the Thames tunnel. Remember that the tunnel fabric itself was modernised in the 1990s shutdown, not as part of the works for the ELL extension. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2011 13:53:11 GMT
What checks would of been undertaken on the ELL and Thames tunnel during the shutdown.
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Post by flippyff on Jan 31, 2011 22:47:19 GMT
What checks would of been undertaken on the ELL and Thames tunnel during the shutdown. Making sure no one has nicked the tunnel? ;D |
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Post by suncloud on Feb 3, 2011 12:45:50 GMT
Presumably without the link finished at Dalston, there'd be some outstabling to enable this service to run... Although it doesn't require many trains to run a Sunday morning service on a small stretch of line...
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Post by causton on Feb 3, 2011 15:45:07 GMT
By my rough calculations (10 mins Dalston - Shadwell, 5 mins turnaround = 30 mins total round trip time) 3 trains would be needed for a 10 minute frequency. (Four, with one more as a backup) If I'm getting that totally wrong ignore it though  |
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Post by andypurk on Feb 3, 2011 16:45:13 GMT
By my rough calculations (10 mins Dalston - Shadwell, 5 mins turnaround = 30 mins total round trip time) 3 trains would be needed for a 10 minute frequency. (Four, with one more as a backup) If I'm getting that totally wrong ignore it though The service seemed to be every 15 minutes, but with a turnaround of about 10 minutes at Shadwell (The northbound train was at Whitechapel 1 min before the southbound left). Journey time Shadwell - Dalston Junction is 12 minutes, so the round trip would have been taking more like 34 mins (plus turnaround time at Dalston), meaning three trains would have been needed for the service. |
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Both are scissors crossovers allowing access to/from either track from both platforms at the stations.
