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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2011 2:04:11 GMT
I saw the thread locked earlier on this location, my question is: Is the NXG office block an IECC location and how much of the 'old' ELL does it control? I'm guessing it controls the former LU ELL and onto Dalston, this was abandoned for a number of years. Not being picky about threads, just interested to know about the signalling installation  |
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Post by 21146 on Jan 23, 2011 11:01:27 GMT
They control as far as Highbury & Islington. Although there is a connection between NR & TFL at this point, it is not yet authorised for use. So, Class 378/2s off the NLL etc going to NXG Dt for maintenance have to go the 'long way around' via Clapham Junction.
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Post by 21146 on Jan 23, 2011 11:05:17 GMT
It's all a bit complicated - Train/station staffing by LOROL, infrastructure by Carillion, train provision by Bombardier, overall direction by TFL Rail for London (t/a London Rail?). The signallers on the NX/NXG - H&I are employed by NR but work on behalf of TFL (I think...).
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Post by Chris M on Jan 23, 2011 14:04:11 GMT
They control as far as Highbury & Islington. Although there is a connection between NR & TFL at this point, it is not yet authorised for use. Where will this connection be controlled from when it is authorised? |
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Post by bicbasher on Jan 24, 2011 0:01:39 GMT
I thought the plan was for NXG to take over the signalling of the southern section of the ELL from East Croydon?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2011 8:24:04 GMT
The East London Railway is operationally a Network Rail line coming under the control of New Cross Gate IECC and fringes with London Bridge ASC and Upminster (NLR) IECC over the single transfer track at Highbury. The only addition planned is the South London connection that will fringe with London Bridge ASC again.
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Post by 21146 on Jan 24, 2011 12:06:30 GMT
Is the original bit of the ELL part of Network Rail? Certainly it's signalled to NR standards, and yes these signals are operated by NR signallers, but is it legally and operationally Network Rail? I was in the "Operational Buildings Complex" two weeks' ago and I'm sure I was told otherwise.
Slightly off-topic but certainly, the Dalston Junction - Surrey Quays section was never going to be part of National Rail which is why there were no plans to put "double arrows" alongside the LO roundels outside stations (which was then the intended policy at all other LO stations - since reversed).
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Post by littlecog on Jan 24, 2011 13:32:22 GMT
Is the original bit of the ELL part of Network Rail? Certainly it's signalled to NR standards, and yes these signals are operated by NR signallers, but is it legally and operationally Network Rail? I was in the "Operational Buildings Complex" two weeks' ago and I'm sure I was told otherwise. It appears to be owned by TfL, via Rail for London: londonreconnections.blogspot.com/2009/08/ell-transfer-documents.html |
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Post by phillw48 on Jan 24, 2011 13:51:11 GMT
Up until the fifties main line trains used to use the tunnel. Most of the traffic was goods trains at night after the passenger service had ceased running. The only 'regular' main line passenger trains to use the line were the annual hop pickers trains from the east end of London. Other than that there were a few enthusiast specials operated over the line. The trains ceased when the connection at Shoreditch was severed in the 1960's
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Post by North End on Jan 24, 2011 16:13:49 GMT
The East London Railway is operationally a Network Rail line coming under the control of New Cross Gate IECC and fringes with London Bridge ASC and Upminster (NLR) IECC over the single transfer track at Highbury. The only addition planned is the South London connection that will fringe with London Bridge ASC again. Is New Cross Gate officially regarded as an IECC? My understanding is the signalling is controlled by the WestCAD system, which isn't the same thing as IECC. |
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Post by glenntandh on Jan 29, 2011 20:03:42 GMT
IECC is becoming a generic term. BR Research 'invented' SSI and IECC at Derby and GEC Signal was the first supplier of the signalling centre hardware, I've lost track of who owns them now, I think it might be Alstom. Westinghouse developed their version (WestCAD) later and the first application utilised the old GEC control desk training simulator on the first floor of Liverpool Street IECC to control the area of the old Stratford 'C' panel in 1998. The new location was called 'Stratford (North London) and did not have Automatic Route Setting as Westinghouse had yet to develop their version of this. This workstation is about to be decommissioned, with the NLL transferring to Upminster and Channelsea, Carpenters Road and the new Angel Lane freight loop as well as the High Meads Loop and Temple Mills-Copper Mill section will pass to a new 'Temple Mills' workstation on the main operating floor at Liverpool Street.
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