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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2011 15:59:04 GMT
As a T/op on the DR and a regular user of the LO between home - NWD - and WCL, there is a wee thing that I have always wondered about;
The old crossover prior to (I'm talking EB) WCL, now gone, which allowed stock moves between the DR and the ELL, where did it emerge on the ELL?
I have spent many trips with my nose pressed up against the glass trying to see if I could spot where it used to be, but to no avail.
Surely, with the Rotherhithe tunnel being the only river crossing, there wasn't a separate tunnel to allow for this move?
Another question is that the drop must have been something else as the ELL runs underneath the DR by quite a margin.
Oh well, as I'm here, with the LO stock being virtually 'S' stock, wouldn't there have been a case to retain the crossover for stock moves between the lines?
BTW, I think the LO is a fantastic line, good trains, excellent staff - much like the DR where I work. ;D
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Post by metman on Jan 11, 2011 16:04:51 GMT
Are you talking about the St Marys curve? That's the only one I knew about. It joined on near to shadwell station.
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Post by mrfs42 on Jan 11, 2011 16:26:25 GMT
Another question is that the drop must have been something else as the ELL runs underneath the DR by quite a margin. A little under 800' at 1 in 85, as far as I can work out. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2011 16:27:19 GMT
Yes, on the EB just by the St. Mary's disused station.
As I recall there was arbour lights on the semi and if the DR didn't get them we didn't move.
(I could be wrong about that)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2011 16:28:51 GMT
Another question is that the drop must have been something else as the ELL runs underneath the DR by quite a margin. A little under 800' at 1 in 85, as far as I can work out. So at that rate, it didn't re-join the ELL at anywhere near WCL? |
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Post by Oracle on Jan 11, 2011 16:42:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2011 18:38:40 GMT
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 11, 2011 20:56:14 GMT
As the Tubeprune article mentions, it is in fact the present District/H&C line which does the climbing, as it (in the form of the Whitechapel & Bow Railway) came after both the ELL and the connection to the ELL from the Aldgate triangle, and had to be built round them. The Whitechapel & Bow line diverged to the left of the existing line from Aldgate just east of St Marys station and then climbed to pass over the ELL station, with its own platforms above, before descending again to resume the course of Whitechapel Road towards Mile End. That is why the entry and exit to Whitechapel DR are steep and winding - they are the branch, and the St Mary's curve is the original main line. The Londons Lost stations site also discusses St Marys |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2011 19:37:17 GMT
See also Harsig's excellent work www.harsig.org/PDF/EASTLONDON.pdf the connection just south of Whitechapel Both excellent diagrams and thanks for posting them; Harump, however, still one question unanswered about leaving the link intact - this will require supposition from those in the know; quite acceptable as I'm a T/op with limited imagination (a job requirement apparently) And, is there a point or some landmark I can look out for on the LO/ELL to try and spot where it used to be? |
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Post by bassmike on Jan 13, 2011 14:27:50 GMT
as you approach whitechapel northbound on LO look carefully out of your lefthand window. you will see a patch of dim daylight ,this is where the st mary's curve diverged. You can see it on google earth as a hole in the ground just above Raven Row.
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Post by bassmike on Jan 13, 2011 14:56:27 GMT
further to last post ,ISTR that at about the time of the closure of ELL for conversion to LO someone posted a very good picture of whitechapel junction taken from the cab of a northbound A stock. It showed the two tunnel mouths with large support girder above as train passed through the open space mentioned above. If anyone couldre-locate this picture I would be very grateful as I have forgotten how to access it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2011 19:32:26 GMT
as you approach whitechapel northbound on LO look carefully out of your lefthand window. you will see a patch of dim daylight ,this is where the st mary's curve diverged. You can see it on google earth as a hole in the ground just above Raven Row. Aha, many thanks BM and apologise in advance to the LO cleaners for having to clean my smeary grease marks off the windows tomorrow evening ;D |
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Post by 21146 on Jan 13, 2011 21:56:34 GMT
When TFL were proposed to run the 'core' ELL after reopening (instead of NR), there was a plan to keep a single unelectrified track between the DR and ELL to allow access for LU/TransPlant engineers trains. The change in plan put paid to that idea.
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