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Post by edwardfox on Jan 4, 2011 11:12:51 GMT
Just for fun, I'm re-timetabling the Euston-Watford Junction line on the assumption that future policies may result in London Overground becoming the sole operator north of Queens Park.
Some people do model railway layouts, I do timetables.
I have a few questions, and answers would be greatly appreciated.
1. Is there any depot other than Willesden Junction serving this line?
2. Are there any stabling points able to accommodate more than one complete (4-car) unit?
3. Is overnight stabling at Euston permitted, and if so how many complete (4-car) units can stable in the platform?
4. Is there any booking on facility at Euston for LO crews for the purpose of moving one of those stabled trains (empty) to the point where it enters passenger service.
5. Is the stretch of line immediately south of South Hampstead tunnel (leading to Camden Road) a logical point for SB trains not going as far as Euston but terminating at either Queens Park or Kilburn High Road to reverse?
6. Which is the busiest station between Harrow & Wealdstone and Watford Junction? (I'm guessing Carpenders Park).
Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2011 11:37:50 GMT
1; Willesden appears to be the only depot that supplies rolling stock for the line.
2; Some units do sit at Richmond at night too, at least they did in 313 days!
3; Units regularly stable at Euston overnight, and I am pretty sure the platforms used by LO can adequately cope with 2x3 car units
4; Not sure on about crew depot locations, but I would imagine they come from Willesden, so would probably involve a journey in duty time to get to Euston for the pick-up.
5; Camden Road to South Hampstead [thru the old Primrose Hill station] is quite busy with freight and has been used in the past when Camden Road to Gospel Oak has been shut. We had Queens Park to Stratford services. Not sure if there'd be any use in trains reversing here just shy of Euston, but I guess it could happen if need be
6; figures for station usage, off the National Rail site Bushey 723k, Carpenders Park, 420k, Hatch End 550k, Headstone Lane 1.25m.
Figures based on the year 2007/08. Actual methods used on collecting statistics may skew the figures somewhat.
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Post by andypurk on Jan 4, 2011 12:15:09 GMT
1; Willesden appears to be the only depot that supplies rolling stock for the line. Indeed it is, although things may change once the ELL extension to Highbury and Islington opens, as this will allow servicing of stock at New Cross. All trains are now 4 car units and all platforms at Euston can easily take 2 x 4 car units (in the days of 3 car units you could actually fit 3 x 3 car units into any platform). A LO unit stables (or used to until the December timetable change and since then I've not passed by at the right time to check) in platform 9 between the peaks (coming from the NLL), with the Watford service running from the country end of the platform. LO units also occasionally stable in the sidings between platforms 15 and 16. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2011 12:41:54 GMT
Just for fun, I'm re-timetabling the Euston-Watford Junction line on the assumption that future policies may result in London Overground becoming the sole operator north of Queens Park. Some people do model railway layouts, I do timetables. I have a few questions, and answers would be greatly appreciated. 1. Is there any depot other than Willesden Junction serving this line? 2. Are there any stabling points able to accommodate more than one complete (4-car) unit? 3. Is overnight stabling at Euston permitted, and if so how many complete (4-car) units can stable in the platform? 4. Is there any booking on facility at Euston for LO crews for the purpose of moving one of those stabled trains (empty) to the point where it enters passenger service. 5. Is the stretch of line immediately south of South Hampstead tunnel (leading to Camden Road) a logical point for SB trains not going as far as Euston but terminating at either Queens Park or Kilburn High Road to reverse? 6. Which is the busiest station between Harrow & Wealdstone and Watford Junction? (I'm guessing Carpenders Park). Thank you. Why not assume the Croxley Link has been opened and a new Croxley Shed has been built on the site of the old one? Xerces Fobe |
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Post by mrjrt on Jan 4, 2011 12:45:08 GMT
1; Willesden appears to be the only depot that supplies rolling stock for the line. 2; Some units do sit at Richmond at night too, at least they did in 313 days! 3; Units regularly stable at Euston overnight, and I am pretty sure the platforms used by LO can adequately cope with 2x3 car units 4; Not sure on about crew depot locations, but I would imagine they come from Willesden, so would probably involve a journey in duty time to get to Euston for the pick-up. 5; Camden Road to South Hampstead [thru the old Primrose Hill station] is quite busy with freight and has been used in the past when Camden Road to Gospel Oak has been shut. We had Queens Park to Stratford services. Not sure if there'd be any use in trains reversing here just shy of Euston, but I guess it could happen if need be 6; figures for station usage, off the National Rail site Bushey 723k, Carpenders Park, 420k, Hatch End 550k, Headstone Lane 1.25m. Figures based on the year 2007/08. Actual methods used on collecting statistics may skew the figures somewhat. ...I suspect Bushey's figures might be slightly inflated from the semi-fast services. |
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Post by edwardfox on Jan 4, 2011 13:05:08 GMT
Why not assume the Croxley Link has been opened and a new Croxley Shed has been built on the site of the old one? Xerces Fobe Hope springs eternal |
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Post by Chris M on Jan 4, 2011 23:43:36 GMT
Do LO crew duties mean that crew stays on either the NLL/WLL or DC all shift, or do they move between them?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2011 0:51:53 GMT
There are 4 DC Platforms at Watford Junction which you could stable some 378's in. Failing that there is a link to the down main which has a short length of 3rd rail - which was installed allow the Class 313's to travel to Bletchley for maintenance a few years ago. You could use this and stable 378's in the yard next to the St Albans Abbey branch - Maybe someone will decide they are better than second hand trams!  Xerces Fobe |
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Post by andypurk on Jan 5, 2011 1:25:43 GMT
There are 4 DC Platforms at Watford Junction which you could stable some 378's in. Failing that there is a link to the down main which has a short length of 3rd rail - which was installed allow the Class 313's to travel to Bletchley for maintenance a few years ago. You could use this and stable 378's in the yard next to the St Albans Abbey branch - Maybe someone will decide they are better than second hand trams! At Watford Junction, it would be better to re-activate the DC sidings which lie between the DC lines and the Down Fast. These were (partially) electrified about the same time as the class 313s arrived and there was a carriage washer installed. Access was via platform 6 and reverse although rearrangement of the trackwork would allow direct access from platforms 1-4 (and save having to change power supply and cross the busy WCML from one side to the other). The access to Bletchley was a side-effect of the electrification of the sidings and not the main reason for it and of course the electrification also allowed the St. Albans' branch unit to be swapped over. |
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Post by metman on Jan 5, 2011 17:48:06 GMT
Platform 6 sees a lot of use now, but I'm sure it wouldn't be difficult to alter the layout slightly. I was lead to believe there was a great deal of vandelism in the Watford sidings.
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Post by dazz285 on Jan 5, 2011 17:49:57 GMT
Booking on points are at :
Watford
Willesden
Euston
Stratford
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