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Post by edwardfox on Jan 3, 2011 12:57:01 GMT
I hear a lot of criticism about the trains used on the Central Line.
I find them quite pleasant to ride on, not as claustrophobic as the Northern Line trains and seemingly faster than the Bakerloo Line trains. I guess there is a reason why more of them were not purchased for use on other full length lines.
Never been east of Liverpool Street and I wondered which was the most scenic route - the direct line to Epping or the Newbury Park loop.
Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2011 13:12:35 GMT
Both lines are scenic (apart from the tunnel between Leytonstone and Newbury Park of course) and most of the station architecture is much as it was in the days of steam pre 1947.
As far as the trains are concerned, you've opened up a can of worms there........... ;D
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Post by metman on Jan 3, 2011 13:46:33 GMT
Woodford-Hainault is a lovely run and Epping isn't bad either. The trains are ok and I prefer them to the 95/96 stock too. They haven't aged well you see and were poorly built. They deserve some love and a bit of faith. But yes you may have opened that can!!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2011 13:58:11 GMT
Or unrolled that roll of Cellotape....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2011 14:08:33 GMT
For a scenic ride, why not go east via the Hainault loop, then changing for a Epping train at Woodford, then go directly (via Snaresbrook) back?
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Post by alex92ts on Jan 3, 2011 14:10:02 GMT
I think the Epping branch is the most scenic. Especially after Debden, where the line goes right into the countryside. I've been along here countless times, but it still looks nice everytime I go past. The Hainault loop isn't as great IMO, but the Hainault-Woodford section is quite nice. And I am a fan of the 92-stock. Personally I think they have aged fairly well (maybe not in comparison with other stocks- its hard to believe how the 95 and 96 stock trains are getting fairly old now). For a scenic ride, why not go east via the Hainault loop, then changing for a Epping train at Woodford, then go directly (via Snaresbrook) back? Good idea! The Leytonstone-Woodford section isn't amazing (although Snaresbrook is one of my favourite stations), and you can see both branches for yourself without paying anything extra. |
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Post by Chris M on Jan 3, 2011 14:52:54 GMT
If you are into your station architecture then Gants Hill (barrel vaulting at platform level) and Loughton (art deco) are worth visiting while you're out that way. Theydon Bois station is beautifully sited and Epping is nice too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2011 15:06:27 GMT
Epping is a nice run, so is the Chigwell Loop... I'm still amazed at just how large the tunnel on that line looks when passing through.
There's a nice pub just a mere 2 minutes stroll from Theydon Bois station!
West End branches aren't as nice looking, but some station still have features that stand out, Greenford and the Wooden Escalator , GW waiting shelters at East Acton....
As for the trains... well, they were good for their time, but are in need of serious TLC.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2011 16:32:37 GMT
The problem is that the trains have aged horribly. The paintwork is falling apart, there is duct tape all over them, the seats have had their springs pulverized, the dot matrix display have been smeared with something.
It's a shame really because their big windows are excellent. On the other hand, next time no beige. I don't know who keeps putting beige in train interiors.
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Post by edwardfox on Jan 3, 2011 17:31:29 GMT
Thanks for all the responses.
I actually thought wooden escalators had been made illegal, or at least unacceptable enough to have all been replaced.
I do have difficulty sometimes reading the destination on the front of the trains.
I'm a bit of a timetable geek and I sense a pattern on the Central Line of Epping-West Ruislip trains and Hainault-Ealing Broadway trains. Is this correct?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2011 17:36:38 GMT
When I went to West Ruislip, all TDs shown on the DMI were for Epping. When I went to Epping, all TDs shown for West Ruislip. The train I was on from Ealing Broadway was a Hainault via Newbury Park. When I went through to Hainault, I didn't see the DMI on the SB as I was after a Woodford train.
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Post by superteacher on Jan 3, 2011 18:12:05 GMT
Thanks for all the responses. I actually thought wooden escalators had been made illegal, or at least unacceptable enough to have all been replaced. I do have difficulty sometimes reading the destination on the front of the trains. I'm a bit of a timetable geek and I sense a pattern on the Central Line of Epping-West Ruislip trains and Hainault-Ealing Broadway trains. Is this correct? Off peak, you are correct. In the peaks, trains are not self contained between the branches. |
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Post by ruislip on Jan 3, 2011 19:02:59 GMT
I'm a bit of a timetable geek and I sense a pattern on the Central Line of Epping-West Ruislip trains and Hainault-Ealing Broadway trains. Is this correct? Yes--and I believe the reason for this (and I may be wrong) is that the former takes advantage of Ruislip depot and the latter does likewise w/Hainault depot. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2011 19:22:03 GMT
(although Snaresbrook is one of my favourite stations), I love it too! My local station  |
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Post by superteacher on Jan 3, 2011 19:41:04 GMT
I'm a bit of a timetable geek and I sense a pattern on the Central Line of Epping-West Ruislip trains and Hainault-Ealing Broadway trains. Is this correct? Yes--and I believe the reason for this (and I may be wrong) is that the former takes advantage of Ruislip depot and the latter does likewise w/Hainault depot. Although trains do not usually go into the depots at these times, but I can see where you are coming from. I'm sure that in the past the pattern has been Epping to Ealing and Hanault to Ruislip off peak. Maybe MRFS can help out? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2011 19:45:51 GMT
Thanks for all the responses. I actually thought wooden escalators had been made illegal, or at least unacceptable enough to have all been replaced. I do have difficulty sometimes reading the destination on the front of the trains. I'm a bit of a timetable geek and I sense a pattern on the Central Line of Epping-West Ruislip trains and Hainault-Ealing Broadway trains. Is this correct? The escalator in question is not below ground, so is outside of the S.12 requirements post Kings Cross. That is the general pattern of services, so you're quite correct on that. I say general pattern, because there are several things that can happen to throw it all out of kilter... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2011 20:50:15 GMT
To be honest the 1992 stock arnt liked much because of the poor build quality and the fact that when they first entered service they were VERY different to all other lines' stocks. I dont mind them realy, sometimes there are decent seats, these are usualy ones with new seat covers over them
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Post by edwardfox on Jan 3, 2011 21:15:24 GMT
I've often wondered how much difference it would make to the cost of each train if the seats were plain as on Routemaster buses with none of this moquette business.
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Post by phillw48 on Jan 3, 2011 21:50:27 GMT
Routemasters originally had moquette seats. The reason for its use is that it extreamly hard wearing, in fact it is a type of carpet. The seat cushions on all LT buses and trains were designed to be easily replaceable. Because the buses are now privatised many operators have dispensed with moquette and replaced it with cheaper and less durable alternatives.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2011 22:18:18 GMT
Back onto the topic of the stock.
I love them, I suppose it's because I've grown up around them. I think the seats, although gruby, are comfortable. Sure there's too much tape around, if that went, then a deep clean along with fixing those destination displays that are broken half the time they would be ok.
Good acceleration, nice windows, good braking, interesting ride. Ok sitting behind the drive is annoying when you get that clunking every 5 seconds from the ATO equipment, apart from that, fun stock to ride.
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Post by auxsetreq on Jan 3, 2011 22:27:37 GMT
Because of the vandalism, general wear and tear to the interiors and external paintwork, they look a lot worse than they actually are. If you take a real good look close up, like in a depot shed road where you can take a good gander, like underneath, you will see that they are still in remarkably good nick. Considering the bashing they take day after day, they're doing very well all told.
Freudian sub conscious or deliberate, the present moquette spells a word. Read up down, diagonal or side to side it spells the word *SEX* Now I've told you that it'll leap out at you every time you look at it..................
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Post by phillw48 on Jan 3, 2011 22:39:04 GMT
Freudian sub conscious or deliberate, the present moquette spells a word. Read up down, diagonal or side to side it spells the word *SEX* Now I've told you that it'll leap out at you every time you look at it.................. Better not spread that around. Some people might consider that an invitation. |
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Post by londonstuff on Jan 3, 2011 22:46:19 GMT
Because of the vandalism, general wear and tear to the interiors and external paintwork, they look a lot worse than they actually are. If you take a real good look close up, like in a depot shed road where you can take a good gander, like underneath, you will see that they are still in remarkably good nick. Considering the bashing they take day after day, they're doing very well all told. Freudian sub conscious or deliberate, the present moquette spells a word. Read up down, diagonal or side to side it spells the word *SEX* Now I've told you that it'll leap out at you every time you look at it..................  I can kind of see the s and the x but not the e. |
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Post by North End on Jan 3, 2011 23:50:40 GMT
Because of the vandalism, general wear and tear to the interiors and external paintwork, they look a lot worse than they actually are. If you take a real good look close up, like in a depot shed road where you can take a good gander, like underneath, you will see that they are still in remarkably good nick. Considering the bashing they take day after day, they're doing very well all told. Freudian sub conscious or deliberate, the present moquette spells a word. Read up down, diagonal or side to side it spells the word *SEX* Now I've told you that it'll leap out at you every time you look at it.................. I can kind of see the s and the x but not the e. I was always given to believe the word "CENTRAL" can be found. But having said that, it's also possible to make up nearly any word you choose from it, so maybe not ! |
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