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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 15:07:46 GMT
No doubt this has been raised before ... but is there any mileage in renaming the Bakerloo Edgware Road station? There must be many who end up in the wrong place if they don't realize there are two completely different stations with this name.
At least in other instances (eg Hammersmith, Paddington) the two stations are shown as interchanges...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 17:54:44 GMT
Maybe just call it Edgware to differentiate.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 18:26:51 GMT
I don't think it is such a big problem as the other station is just a short walk away.
jimar53, there is already an Edgware station on the Northern line... besides Edgware Road station is nowhere near Edgware.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 21, 2010 18:41:40 GMT
Edgware Road station is nowhere near Edgware. Doesn't stop tourists confusing the two (and getting stung for a 5-zone fare for a 1-zone journey). The same tourists seem to dislike the words "Road", "Square", etc, and so also refer to "Leicester", "Gloucester" or "Oxford". Imagine the fun if Crossrail services through OXO ever get extended to the City of Dreaming Spires. Of course Finsbury Park is a long way from Finsbury, and Tottenham Court Road a long way from Tottenham - another reason for renaming TCR station as Centre Point (along with saving space on a cramped part of the tube map and on bus destination blinds, and not confusing people who actually want to go to those addresses in that thoroughfare (the majority) for which the nearest stations are Goodge Street or Warren Street). edited when I realised which zone Edgware is in.
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Post by ruislip on Dec 21, 2010 18:51:51 GMT
It could be renamed "Church Street" or "Paddington Green". ;D
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Post by Phil on Dec 21, 2010 23:02:21 GMT
Blame Brunel!! Twas he that started the concept of "........Road" for stations such as Bodmin Road, more than 5 miles from the town of Bodmin. Has been so for 150 years or more, so, in modern parlance, 'live with it'!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 23:18:16 GMT
But of course all these points made... Finsbury Park station is on the edge of Finsbury Park, Tottenham Court Road is on TCR itself, Edgware Road stations are on said road...
Baker Street is on Baker Street. What are you supposed to call that - Madame Tussaud's or Sherlock Holmes Museum? Didn't think so.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2010 0:26:42 GMT
I don't think it is such a big problem as the other station is just a short walk away. jimar53, there is already an Edgware station on the Northern line... besides Edgware Road station is nowhere near Edgware. Since when
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2010 1:25:22 GMT
Doesn't stop tourists confusing the two Who cares about the tourists? Seriously, that's not the criteria for renaming things. Once upon a time I was a total newb in London and somehow never confused Edgware Road Bakerloo / Edgware Road H&C / Edgware or Aldgate / Aldgate East or Finchley / Finchley Road etc - and I'm not some sort of navigational wizard, so other people should cope too ;D Since the first Edgware Road station opened? ;D
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2010 8:51:36 GMT
I don't think it is such a big problem as the other station is just a short walk away. jimar53, there is already an Edgware station on the Northern line... besides Edgware Road station is nowhere near Edgware. Since when Edgware is at the top of the northern line, many miles away from Edgware Road, which starts at Marble Arch and goes west, not north!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2010 9:26:01 GMT
Strictly speaking Edgware Road then continues (as A5) to actual Edgware ;D But I was always careful to talk about Edgware Road station.
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Post by Oracle on Dec 22, 2010 9:27:58 GMT
I know it's very OTT but locally the virtual 'ghost station' Beaulieu Road is indeed on Beaulieu Road but is about 3 miles south of Lyndhurst, and 3 1/2 from Beaulieu. There are no buses to Beaulieu, and no taxis. Ashurst (New Forest) was originally Lyndhurst Road, as it's on that road (A35) but it's three miles from Lyndhurst and now very few buses run.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2010 13:14:40 GMT
The police station on the opposite side of Edgware Road is call Paddington Green so there is a suitable name, unless you are lokking fro some green grass!
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Post by North End on Dec 22, 2010 14:05:49 GMT
Edgware Road station is nowhere near Edgware. Doesn't stop tourists confusing the two (and getting stung for a 4-zone fare for a 1-zone journey). The same tourists seem to dislike the words "Road", "Square", etc, and so also refer to "Leicester", "Gloucester" or "Oxford". Imagine the fun if Crossrail services through OXO ever get extended to the City of Dreaming Spires. Of course Finsbury Park is a long way from Finsbury, and Tottenham Court Road a long way from Tottenham - another reason for renaming TCR station as Centre Point (along with saving space on a cramped part of the tube map and on bus destination blinds, and not confusing people who actually want to go to those addresses in that thoroughfare (the majority) for which the nearest stations are Goodge Street or Warren Street). St. Giles Circus would be a more accurate name for Tottenham Court Road station, though unlike Oxford Circus and Piccadilly Circus, this name is much less well known. Another pair of inaccurate names are Holborn and Chancery Lane. Holborn station is on the corner of High Holborn and Kingsway, whilst Chancery Lane is at the junction of Holborn / High Holborn / Grays Inn Road, with Chancery Lane located 100m to the west. When the respective stations were opened, the names were more accurate.
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Post by ruislip on Dec 22, 2010 15:26:09 GMT
Another anomaly I can personally relate to: The last 2 years I lived in the Capital, Hillingdon station was a 5-10 minute walk from our house--which had an Ickenham address. Furthermore, the actual "town" of Hillingdon is located a ways south of where the station is
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2010 15:30:16 GMT
Another anomaly I can personally relate to: The last 2 years I lived in the Capital, Hillingdon station was a 5-10 minute walk from our house--which had an Ickenham address. Furthermore, the actual "town" of Hillingdon is located a ways south of where the station is All of the stations along that stretch are like that... Ruislip, Eastcote, many are away from the towns but it's the nearest place so makes sense to name as such.
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Post by Ben on Dec 22, 2010 17:37:10 GMT
Ruislip was only half a mile from the village when it opened, now its at the end of the high street. (Old) Eastcote village is nowhere near Eastcote station, its roughly where the 282 and H13 join, forget the road names. But Eastcote station is right by Eastcote town (mostly 30's ish), Ickenham is about 5 mins walk from St Giles Church, arguably the centre of the village. Hillingdon is miles from Hillingdon, indeed perhaps at the next major line opening thought should be given to suffixes where name and geographic location differ. As on the roundles, Hillingdon (Swakeleys) is far more implicit.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 22, 2010 19:39:16 GMT
Edgware Road ..... which starts at Marble Arch and goes west, not north! No it doesn't - it's nearer north than west, about 30 west of north (or north-by-north-west!). But unlike examples such as Lyndhurst Road, it is not, and never has been, the nearest station to its namesake town. Examples like Ruislip, Acton (ML), Tooting etc were, when opened, the nearest to their namesakes - later arrivals may have got closer but had to use a suffix to distinguish from the earlier example, even if they were closer to the town centre - see for example Tooting Broadway which is much more central than plain Tooting. Occasionally, place names get hijacked by stations some distance awayfrom their actual location - Holborn is one example, Clapham Junction is another - many people still confuse Clapham station with CJ, even now its been renamed Clapham High Street. St. Giles Circus would be a more accurate name for Tottenham Court Road station, though unlike Oxford Circus and Piccadilly Circus, this name is much less well known.! But it would be if the station serving it was named after it. In the same way everyone would know where Fitzrovia and Bloomsbury were if the stations serving those areas were so named. Holborn station is on the corner of High Holborn and Kingsway, whilst Chancery Lane is at the junction of Holborn / High Holborn / Grays Inn Road, with Chancery Lane located 100m to the west. When the respective stations were opened, the names were more accurate. True for Chancery Lane, because the entrance moved when escalators replaced lifts, but not for Holborn which has always been on High Holborn rather than Holborn proper. Perhaps it should have been named Kingsway.
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Post by Oracle on Dec 22, 2010 20:00:21 GMT
I should have added that Brockenhurst is the 'designated' station it seems for both Beaulieu and Lyndhurst; a bus service was started by Hampshire County Council that ran from Ashurst to Lyndhurst to Brockenhurst and back but no-one used it!
As you all know I used to live near Hounslow West station: the Barracks after which the station was orginally named is a bit of a walk away but at the time the possibly most significant feature in the neighbourhood. However, in due course, after renaming, the district became known as Hounslow West...a unique situation? Hounslow Central is I suppose argaubly 'central', but it is some distance away from Heston (it was originally Heston-Hounslow).
On NR Pokesdown (Bournemouth) has been renamed Pokesdown for Boscombe...sensibly as Boscombe is just along the road that the station is in.
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Post by d7666 on Dec 23, 2010 19:10:02 GMT
Blame Brunel!! Twas he that started the concept of "........Road" for stations such as Bodmin Road, more than 5 miles from the town of Bodmin. Has been so for 150 years or more, so, in modern parlance, 'live with it'!!!! Except Bodmin Road has not been that for the last 27 years. It was renamed Bodmin Parkway in 1983. I don't see any need to rename either Edgware Road (for the argument works both ways) - they are not inconveniently apart, indeed they are probably closer together than different lines platforms at a few single station interchanges. Regular users know the score, tourists that get it wrong are hardly put out by the 100 m difference are they. Next someone else will want Queensway and Bayswater to do the opposite and have the same name. -- Nick
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2010 21:03:46 GMT
jimar53, there is already an Edgware station on the Northern line... Since when Since 18 August 1924.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 23, 2010 21:15:36 GMT
hThere has been an Edgware station since 1867 - when the GNR opened its station of that name.
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Post by abe on Dec 23, 2010 21:35:49 GMT
Edgware Road is not the same as the XYZ Road stations elsewhere in the country, which were sited in the middle of nowhere on the road to XYZ. When Edgware Road station opened it was on a street in London called by that name, and so, like many other underground stations, adopted it as its name.
I'm confused by the comment above about the appropriateness of Holborn's name, stating that "the name was more accurate" when the station opened. Whilst this comment is entirely correct for Chancery Lane, where a new entrance opened in the 1930s, Holborn is on exactly the same site that it was upon opening in 1906.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2010 21:39:07 GMT
Edgware Road is not the same as the XYZ Road stations elsewhere in the country, which were sited in the middle of nowhere on the road to XYZ. When Edgware Road station opened it was on a street in London called by that name, and so, like many other underground stations, adopted it as its name. I'm confused by the comment above about the appropriateness of Holborn's name, stating that "the name was more accurate" when the station opened. Whilst this comment is entirely correct for Chancery Lane, where a new entrance opened in the 1930s, Holborn is on exactly the same site that it was upon opening in 1906. And also Holborn (Kingsway) was what the station used to be called!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2010 22:04:54 GMT
On the subject of Holborn, the CLR's original station called 'British Museum' was, I suppose, reasonably near to the British Museum, but - looking at my street atlas - about the same distance away from the museum as are Russell Square, Goodge Street and Tottenham Court Road!
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Post by North End on Dec 23, 2010 22:23:59 GMT
Edgware Road is not the same as the XYZ Road stations elsewhere in the country, which were sited in the middle of nowhere on the road to XYZ. When Edgware Road station opened it was on a street in London called by that name, and so, like many other underground stations, adopted it as its name. I'm confused by the comment above about the appropriateness of Holborn's name, stating that "the name was more accurate" when the station opened. Whilst this comment is entirely correct for Chancery Lane, where a new entrance opened in the 1930s, Holborn is on exactly the same site that it was upon opening in 1906. What I meant was, the GNP&BR as originally was, crossed the street of High Holborn once, and named the station Holborn. There was no Central Line here until the 1930s. So for Piccadilly passengers, it was the most appropriate station to reach Holborn. I presume few would have chosen to alight at Holborn, walk to British Museum, and take the CLR to Chancery Lane.
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Post by younglulnerd on Dec 27, 2010 17:31:10 GMT
anyway, back to the edgware roads. the bakerloo one should stay as edgware road as it is the one out of the two actually on edgware road, the H&C/Circle/Wimbleware stn is on chapel street (the main building with the nice old exterior similar to farringdon and willesden green) so why not call it chapel street. easiest option to cause the littlest confusion and make the most sense.
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Post by younglulnerd on Dec 27, 2010 17:42:21 GMT
Holborn station is on the corner of High Holborn and Kingsway, whilst Chancery Lane is at the junction of Holborn / High Holborn / Grays Inn Road, with Chancery Lane located 100m to the west. When the respective stations were opened, the names were more accurate. True for Chancery Lane, because the entrance moved when escalators replaced lifts, but not for Holborn which has always been on High Holborn rather than Holborn proper. Perhaps it should have been named Kingsway. Nononononono. Holborn being holborn makes sense, because kingsway tram tunnel would have caused confusion, so it wouldn't be kingsway, and at that time faringdon was farringdon&high holborn, so holborn is the nearest area to name it after.
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Post by edwardfox on Dec 27, 2010 18:49:41 GMT
Brent Cross springs to mind - some distance away from Brent Cross Shopping Centre.
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Post by Oracle on Dec 27, 2010 18:54:03 GMT
Brent Cross was originally just Brent...how does it relate to Brent locality?
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