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Dec 19, 2010 23:48:38 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2010 23:48:38 GMT
YO! Merry Christmas everyone!
Now I have a question to do with the speed between Finchley Road and Wembley Park. I know that the line speed is now 50? This is due the A stock being OAP's?
However I notice that some trips are rather slow other we thunder through stations. What's the maximum a driver could push the train too? Or is the stock limited to 50?
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Dec 20, 2010 0:45:48 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2010 0:45:48 GMT
YO! Merry Christmas everyone! Now I have a question to do with the speed between Finchley Road and Wembley Park. I know that the line speed is now 50? This is due the A stock being OAP's? However I notice that some trips are rather slow other we thunder through stations. What's the maximum a driver could push the train too? Or is the stock limited to 50? James I was on an A stock doing 70mph this year - there's a video on my youtube channel (benjie131) And on that note I don't think they're limited
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Dec 20, 2010 9:06:56 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2010 9:06:56 GMT
They just have a sticker in the cab to keep the H&S fanatics quiet!
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Dec 20, 2010 10:04:24 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2010 10:04:24 GMT
I was gonna say, because I could of sworn I was going 70 going through Kilburn the other day!
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Dec 20, 2010 11:00:15 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2010 11:00:15 GMT
I was gonna say, because I could of sworn I was going 70 going through Kilburn the other day! I doubt it at that location. Certainly on the Amersham road and a couple of other locations, but I would be wary of pushing an A60 to those speeds nowadays due to the state of the track.
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Dec 20, 2010 14:05:43 GMT
Post by Ben on Dec 20, 2010 14:05:43 GMT
Its funny that still with all the money being spent on track replacement there are still places that cause concern.
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Dec 20, 2010 14:30:53 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2010 14:30:53 GMT
Its funny that still with all the money being spent on track replacement there are still places that cause concern. Notably Neasden southbound. I'm sure a train will derail there before long.
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Dec 20, 2010 15:27:45 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2010 15:27:45 GMT
Well I was southbound through Kilburn and I can assure you this A60 was running like it had superman by it's side. Yes the ride was VERY bumpy.
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Dec 20, 2010 21:48:39 GMT
Post by rincew1nd on Dec 20, 2010 21:48:39 GMT
On my way home from the Chesham meet I clocked my Pendolino at 128mph using the GPS jobbie in my phone, alas I couldn't get a signal in the A-Stock heading to the pub
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Dec 20, 2010 21:51:20 GMT
Post by londonstuff on Dec 20, 2010 21:51:20 GMT
On my way home from the Chesham meet I clocked my Pendolino at 128mph using the GPS jobbie in my phone, alas I couldn't get a signal in the A-Stock heading to the pub I'm on a delayed Pendolino back down to Euston right now and I'd say for most of it we've been travelling at about 50mph. Meant to be in about now and according to the GPS on my phone we're just outside Tamworth, wherever that is. Only good side is that I've got the laptop and there's free wifi
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Dec 20, 2010 22:02:03 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2010 22:02:03 GMT
Talking about GPS on phones, I clocked the Piccadilly doing 50mph today on the South Harrow - North Ealing stretches
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Dec 20, 2010 23:02:49 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2010 23:02:49 GMT
The problem with the GPS widgets in phones is they're naff at keeping a signal, and try and be intelligent when filling in gaps. I have a trace from the GPS on my phone of a Piccadilly Line train breifly reaching 145kmh between Ickenham and Hillingdon... In reality we probably weren't doing anything more than 35mph... (bout 55k)
I certainly wouldn't trust any speed reading my or any phone gave me. The Transmitters are far too small to maintain a reliable signal.
With regard to A Stock doing 70 I'd say it's highly unlikely - 55 or 60 perhaps, but they're simply too old and knackered and besides, any driver doing those speeds would be breaking the rules. In trains that rattly and bouncy, 50mph can feel very fast indeed compared to more modern stocks.
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Dec 20, 2010 23:22:12 GMT
Post by metman on Dec 20, 2010 23:22:12 GMT
You say that, but I'm sure regular travellers know when a particular stock is going a little too fast.
As for drivers breaking the speed limits? It happens ;D
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Dec 21, 2010 0:03:56 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 0:03:56 GMT
My one doesnt fill in gaps, it does the pace of the movement and then works the speed out from that, its a nokia 5230
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Dec 21, 2010 20:13:06 GMT
Post by rincew1nd on Dec 21, 2010 20:13:06 GMT
Not 100% sure how mine works, but it does give me a time since last fix figure. In a good location this stays at zero, occassionally hitting one second, if I move away from the window it can increase to two seconds.
On the Chesham trip I managed to get a GPS fix whilst we were waiting booked time at Ricky, but as soon as I stepped back into the train the clock started counting up and never went back to nought.
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Dec 21, 2010 21:08:04 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 21:08:04 GMT
I find some journeys are faster than others, sometimes A stock go fast but maybe you don't notice it. Yesterday I was on a 96 stock between Neasden and Wembley and it felt like the train was doing about 60mph, it seems alot faster and scarier hurtling towards Wembley on a jubilee line train than it does the met.
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Dec 21, 2010 21:10:02 GMT
Post by metman on Dec 21, 2010 21:10:02 GMT
The go-cart effect- close to the floor!
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Dec 21, 2010 21:11:24 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 21:11:24 GMT
I find some journeys are faster than others, sometimes A stock go fast but maybe you don't notice it. Yesterday I was on a 96 stock between Neasden and Wembley and it felt like the train was doing about 60mph, it seems alot faster and scarier hurtling towards Wembley on a jubilee line train than it does the met. Probably because you're a) sideways and b) the Jub has DLL stock, also which the 96ts has relatively inflexible bogie frames and will shake the s$!& out of yer. The 96ts is all well and capable of 62mph, but in tripcock manual, they are relatively limited in acceleration. The increase in speed in TBTC manual through the tunnel section is hugely noticeable. Some of the wheel noise through the JLE is horrible as it is... can't remember where, though...
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Dec 21, 2010 21:12:33 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 21:12:33 GMT
The go-cart effect- close to the floor! There's a rather large difference between having your backside about an inch off the floor and sitting in a DLL stock seat! ;D ;D
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Dec 21, 2010 21:53:38 GMT
Post by SE13 on Dec 21, 2010 21:53:38 GMT
The go-cart effect- close to the floor! Maybe.... However, sit in a car, and do 30mph through a residential zone, and it feels slow. Sit on a bus doing the same speed in the same place and it feels/appears to be well faster. Optical illusion due to the size, coupled with the motor/engine noise.
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Dec 21, 2010 22:02:04 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 22:02:04 GMT
Remember the A stock has the suspension of an S-II booster about to throw its inboard. It may make it feel like it's going faster than it is.
If you really want to know reliably how fast it's going, get your watch out and time the journey. No need to overrated gadgets.
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Dec 21, 2010 22:16:20 GMT
Post by mrfs42 on Dec 21, 2010 22:16:20 GMT
If you really want to know reliably how fast it's going, get your watch out and time the journey. No need to overrated gadgets. I use the chronometer on my phone and email myself the logs from the phone so I can get an accurate centre of platform - centre of platform fix on the very, very rare occasions I'm interested in speed rather than transit time.
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Dec 21, 2010 22:40:05 GMT
Post by rincew1nd on Dec 21, 2010 22:40:05 GMT
If you really want to know reliably how fast it's going, get your watch out and time the journey. No need to overrated gadgets. Ah, but surely that relies on being able to see the distance-posts, knowing how far apart the distance posts are, having a fixed reference point on the train to use for passing the distance-post. How fast are we going?- Get out GPS
- Wait for it to boot/gain signal (Device dependent)
- We are currently travelling at 28mph
or How fast are we going?- Look out window
- Wait for a marker
- Look at watch
- Look out window
- Wait for a marker
- Look at watch
- Deduct one time from the other to get transit time
- Deduct an allowance for the time it takes to moves eyes from marker outside to looking at watch
- Look up distance between markers
- Calculate average speed over the distance between markers
- We were travelling at an average speed of 26mph between those two points (which may have been after the question was asked)
Don't get me wrong, point to point times are a useful quick reference to speed, however they cannot answer the question of "how quickly are we travelling now?"
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Dec 21, 2010 22:55:15 GMT
Post by flippyff on Dec 21, 2010 22:55:15 GMT
I certainly wouldn't trust any speed reading my or any phone gave me. The Transmitters are far too small to maintain a reliable signal. <picky> Receiver surely? The transmitters are in geo-stationary orbit. </picky> I've used a long word with a hyphen, so I'm now prepared to be shot down in flames...... ;D Simon
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Dec 22, 2010 7:15:15 GMT
Post by metrider on Dec 22, 2010 7:15:15 GMT
The satellites are not in geostationary (or geo-stationary ;D ) orbit. They are in a standard orbit (I think they orbit twice a day?). GPS receivers need to download almanac data to tell them where the satellites are.
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Dec 22, 2010 7:30:23 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2010 7:30:23 GMT
Is there a speed restriction in the Neasden area southbound? I've not been on that section for a few years now but I always remember accelrating out of Wembley Park and then slowing down in the Neasdon area for some reason.
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Dec 22, 2010 7:53:45 GMT
Post by metman on Dec 22, 2010 7:53:45 GMT
It's the points there. They are notorious for giving a rough ride!
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Dec 22, 2010 9:17:56 GMT
Post by Oracle on Dec 22, 2010 9:17:56 GMT
There used to be a requorement to reduce speed because of the Neasden north-end points two decades ago I seem to recall!
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Jan 5, 2011 0:05:45 GMT
Post by james66526 on Jan 5, 2011 0:05:45 GMT
Theres a 40 over the points and through the platform at Neasden. Feels very bumpy through there on a battery loco!!
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