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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2010 10:20:34 GMT
If they are going to install a crossover at Moor park for the local lines then it seems a wasted opportunity not to add a connection from the local lines the the main lines. This would allow more flexibility in times of disruption and also fast Watford services.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2010 12:29:33 GMT
Just wondering if in theory a 165 could run troght to baker street or beyond, would there be clearance issues, could it be done on a railtour?
Also has an A stock ever done a wrong stick and ended up off juice on the chiltern lines, can this happen?
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Post by 21146 on Dec 23, 2010 14:54:10 GMT
Just wondering if in theory a 165 could run troght to baker street or beyond, would there be clearance issues, could it be done on a railtour? Also has an A stock ever done a wrong stick and ended up off juice on the chiltern lines, can this happen? Yes, S/B off platform 2 at Harrow-on-the-Hill onto the unelectrified NR line to Marylebone.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2010 18:18:48 GMT
That must have messed the service up! how would recovery be arranged?
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Post by metman on Dec 23, 2010 21:46:36 GMT
Yes it did! They had to scotch and clip off the adjacent down line (into platform 3) which shut that off too. Several Chilterns were reversed North from platform 2. Eventually the train was brought back onto the platform and sent to Rickmansworth.
The reason for the error in the first place was the Met train was Rick-Neasden ECS booked local line but the signalman at Harrow though it was a Chiltern train!
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Post by metrider on Dec 24, 2010 7:10:28 GMT
... The reason for the error in the first place was the Met train was Rick-Neasden ECS booked local line but the signalman at Harrow though it was a Chiltern train! What did the driver think it was? Didn't he realise he was already on a real railway ;D From what you say, I presume that he non-stopped HOH (at some speed). The lack of metalwork ahead must be pretty obvious if you have time to see it. How far did it get before it stopped? How did they actually help it back?
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Post by citysig on Dec 24, 2010 9:48:16 GMT
It's all very easy to make assumptions of what the driver may or may not have been thinking. At the time in question, the driver may have been running on "auto-pilot." How many car drivers here have taken a wrong turn somewhere, or have driven for a few minutes and not remembered anything about the trip itself
Because it came about through a lack of concentration (for whatever reason) the difference about the lack of pointwork, the fact that he hadn't crossed over etc.etc. will not have figured until it was too late.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2010 12:42:51 GMT
Because it came about through a lack of concentration (for whatever reason) the difference about the lack of pointwork, the fact that he hadn't crossed over etc.etc. will not have figured until it was too late. Would there not have been a route indicator? You'd usually expect a car driver to only proceed when the have a green for their route.
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Post by metman on Dec 24, 2010 13:32:11 GMT
I think there was a points problem at Watford South Junction on the day so the train was routed onto the up fast line when it was normally booked to run non stop on the local line. Please note this was an empty stock movement, the train was out of service and the driver would not have stopped anywhere!
Considering the train would usually run straight across Harrow Nth Junction at some speed, the driver was probably on 'auto-pilot' and at the end of his shift. It is excussable I must say. The other problem was both driver and signaller got it wrong. If either had paid attention it wouldn't have happened. Remember, nobody was hurt and nothing was damaged. It made the Underground news too ;D
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Post by citysig on Dec 24, 2010 15:06:54 GMT
Would there not have been a route indicator? You'd usually expect a car driver to only proceed when the have a green for their route. I have to confess having gone through a red light. It wasn't at a busy crossroads or anything like that, and there were no other cars about. It's just one of those things. You take your eye off the ball for a minute...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2010 15:29:08 GMT
Time for ACO (Automatic Car Operation) maybe? Google have recently been testing self-driving cars and these tests have so far been quite successful.
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Post by metman on Dec 24, 2010 15:31:31 GMT
I could get battered in the pub and be driven home? Or does someone still need to be able to control the doors ;D
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Post by Chris M on Dec 24, 2010 15:54:12 GMT
Would there not have been a route indicator? You'd usually expect a car driver to only proceed when the have a green for their route. I have to confess having gone through a red light. It wasn't at a busy crossroads or anything like that, and there were no other cars about. It's just one of those things. You take your eye off the ball for a minute... I too have done this. In my case it was a junction on a business park sort of place I'd never been to before in Bristol (other than driving into it some hours earlier). It was about 10:30pm and pitch black. I was busy trying to navigate the unsigned roads to try and get back onto the main road, saw traffic lights ahead of me on green and proceeded towards them, checking the junction I was at was clear. It wasn't until I was halfway across the nearer junction that one of my passengers said I'd gone through a red light. I just hadn't seen the nearer set of lights at all. I suspect most car drivers have done something similar too. The same can happen on railways, which is why drivers get road trained (so they know where they are and don't have to concentrate on finding their way - even as a pedestrian it's a quicker and less mentally taxing journey and you see more of what is going on around you when you know where you're going than when you don't); and why signals are sighted to avoid what I think is called "read through" (I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong)
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Post by metman on Dec 24, 2010 16:50:56 GMT
Yes, that has happened to me, although I was at a red light and the next set turned green and I went, nearly running a load of people over who were trying to cross and sounding my horn a lot!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2010 17:34:36 GMT
I too have done this. In my case it was a junction on a business park sort of place I'd never been to before in Bristol (other than driving into it some hours earlier). It was about 10:30pm and pitch black. I was busy trying to navigate the unsigned roads to try and get back onto the main road, saw traffic lights ahead of me on green and proceeded towards them, checking the junction I was at was clear. It wasn't until I was halfway across the nearer junction that one of my passengers said I'd gone through a red light. I just hadn't seen the nearer set of lights at all. I suspect most car drivers have done something similar too. It's curious that we allow ordinary people to be in control of large metal potentially lethal weapons called cars. Up until recently there seems to have been little interest in developing self-driving cars but this may well be set to change and many lives will be saved. On LUL if you make a mistake there is a failsafe, not so on the roads.
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