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Post by auxsetreq on Nov 22, 2010 14:59:12 GMT
*Safety On The Track* - Training Film shot on the Underground at places like Northfields, and judging by the fashions of the time warp District and Met lines it looks as though it was filmed sometime during the non summer of 2010...........
Highlights include ( where does one start? ).......The juiced up P-Way man getting track side Pilates from his mate, the old boy lookout man proudly displaying his detonator after blowing his horn - and the dress rehearsal for this years Northern Line runaway train incident. All stitched together by a gloriously clipped Heeoome Counties narration. So, fasten your Mackintosh and strap yourselves in for a trip back to Temps Perdu. Beautiful, absolutely beautiful........
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2010 15:27:09 GMT
That's a good insight into LT practices.. doesn't sound like a whole lot has changed in that department!
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Post by londonstuff on Nov 22, 2010 16:00:46 GMT
Around 12minutes 10s in reminds me of the Northern line runaway train!
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Post by Dstock7080 on Nov 22, 2010 16:16:50 GMT
After the views of West Hampstead and then the arc device, why was South Ealing disguised as "Northfields" on the platforms?
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Post by tubeprune on Nov 23, 2010 13:11:06 GMT
After the views of West Hampstead and then the arc device, why was South Ealing disguised as "Northfields" on the platforms? No idea, but it is a bit wierd, isn't it? Nice shots of R Stock before it had shoebeams. The first R Stock went into service 17th April 1950 so these shots were a while after that. They had two new trains to play with! Some shunting in Lillie Bridge with the District steam loco L31 too. |
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Post by Ben on Nov 23, 2010 15:05:06 GMT
Its a nice video, there was the section on depot safety in a previous video somewhere, its good to see the whole thing. Would it even be possible to film that now though...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2010 21:09:35 GMT
"in some extreme cases of emergency you can lie in the six foot but, erm, try not to have to do it!"
"it's obvious isn't it? Mind the juice!"
Thats just fantastic it really is!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2010 21:42:45 GMT
its available on DVD as a series with some others, the titles of which escape me at the moment. But one is Power Signalling... features West Ruislip cabin!  "Blimey! The trolley 's away! After It!!!!" ;D And also, riding on wagons by standing on buffers! if that were to be demonstrated today... RSSB/HSE would have kittens! Literally! |
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Post by Oracle on Nov 23, 2010 23:14:23 GMT
It was before my time so a small query: did the Districts nornally run on the Fast Lines between Acton and Nothfields and Piccs on the Local Lines? I thought that it was the other way round! I started commuting in '66 and can't recall using the Districts to Hounslow West before October '64.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2010 16:23:02 GMT
I found the DVD it is on. It is on a DVD from Beulah. Part of Yesterday's Britain No. 41 - Underground. (Their web site is www.eavb.co.uk - but is mostly music recordings. I can't see their train and history related DVDs there anymore - but may be available elsewhere.) It is on Disc 1 (of 2 in the set). This set also incuded: "Power Signal Linemen" (1953) "School for Service" (1953) - with the Railway Training Centre at Lambeth North(!) "Under Night Streets" (1958) And other stuff of course! Disc 2 Has "Building London's Victoria Line". Someone else put me onto this set some time ago and I really enjoyed it! When I watch the film from this forum topic, I knew I had seen it before - because I imagined myself lying in the 6 foot as trains whizzed by overhead in both directions! |
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Post by tubeprune on Nov 24, 2010 21:28:00 GMT
It was before my time so a small query: did the Districts nornally run on the Fast Lines between Acton and Nothfields and Piccs on the Local Lines? I thought that it was the other way round! I started commuting in '66 and can't recall using the Districts to Hounslow West before October '64. The DR usually ran on the local tracks. In fact, the fast tracks were originally referred to as the "LER tracks". The film was made using test trains during the off peak. There are shots of 4-car Picc trains passing on the local. |
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Post by Oracle on Nov 24, 2010 22:25:37 GMT
Cheers TP! I would have gone to central London with mum before '64 but can't recall using the DR, probably because it was peak hours only. I do however remember getting on to DR trains at Hammersmith, and looking at the line maps which showed the Hounslow branch, and later the sticky patches covering it up.
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Post by auxsetreq on Nov 29, 2010 17:38:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2010 18:16:39 GMT
What was that 'detonator' device?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2010 18:19:22 GMT
What was that 'detonator' device? I'm sure you've heard of detonators before! A small package containing explosives that react to extreme pressure (not like a blow from a hammer, but the weight of a train!) to make a lot of noise. Normally attached to the rails by lead strips. So when driven over, they go bang, to warn the driver. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2010 18:32:54 GMT
Oh, detonators in the traditional sense!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2010 19:27:31 GMT
Thanks Aux - but I already do have this DVD. I guess I wasn't clear. Plus I have a nice Philips DVD player that does both PAL and NTSC as well as being region free. But it is nice to know it is available from the LT shop. |
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Post by auxsetreq on Nov 29, 2010 22:20:35 GMT
Thanks Aux - but I already do have this DVD. I guess I wasn't clear. Plus I have a nice Philips DVD player that does both PAL and NTSC as well as being region free. But it is nice to know it is available from the LT shop. I've just acquired it from this very place and I've just watched all four films, which I've seen clips of, but have never seen in their entirety. The Linesman film from 1957 is fascinating, showing the sidings at Greenford which I've never experienced along with all that fab Standard Stock. Also when the driver leaves home in Under Night Streets he disturbs a cat which sent my cat who was sitting on the sofa next to me 52 years later, mental......... Yes, all my DVD players are multi standard region free too......... |
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Post by rincew1nd on Nov 29, 2010 23:24:27 GMT
...when driven over, they go bang, to warn the driver. Oh come now, they actually go: [glow=red,30,2000] BANG! [/glow] |
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Post by auxsetreq on Nov 30, 2010 16:53:45 GMT
...when driven over, they go bang, to warn the driver. Oh come now, they actually go: [glow=red,30,2000] BANG! [/glow]A Long Time Ago On An Underground Far Far Away.................and this would never be done today. My God, could you imagine! - A motorman's jape was to place a detonator on the rail under the guard's gangway as they changed ends without the guard realising it. As the train departed, and it usually happened at Ealing Bdy, the guard would be waving byes n laters to the crew on the opposite platform, only for his train to feel like it was being lifted off the rails. Exceedingly embarrassing if one was holding a cuppa whose contents would fly vertically while trying trying to look cool in front of the birds. I was victim to this many a time........... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2011 21:42:19 GMT
We still use them on the main line in times of need too! Watch the trolley sequence without sound and it looks just like a scene from Buster Keatons 'The Railrodder'! ;D
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Post by railtechnician on Feb 6, 2011 23:58:51 GMT
What was that 'detonator' device? I'm sure you've heard of detonators before! A small package containing explosives that react to extreme pressure (not like a blow from a hammer, but the weight of a train!) to make a lot of noise. Normally attached to the rails by lead strips. So when driven over, they go bang, to warn the driver. Yep! That's the idea but it ain't always so! A few years ago working at Finchley Road on a winter's night we knew the sleets were running and we had six dets on the track (my three another another gang's three) in the southbound Met platform tracks. The sleet came in and ran over all six pulling up at the starter to reverse. The motorman exited his cab and asked 'what was that funny noise?'. He had made no attempt to stop as he exploded the dets, bang........bang........bang.......etc with the leading bogie visibly lifting as he ran over them. Luckily we had just left the track before the train approached. By the way dets do react to hammer blows and possibly less which is why there is a limit to how many should be carried and the manner in which they are carried. |
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Post by Ben on Feb 7, 2011 6:03:36 GMT
Whats the explosive thats in them? The only one that I can think of that needs percussion is semtex... that'd probably be overkill though!
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Post by railtechnician on Feb 7, 2011 7:31:20 GMT
Whats the explosive thats in them? The only one that I can think of that needs percussion is semtex... that'd probably be overkill though! I'm not sure that I've ever known the answer to that but rest assured, dets can be lethal if not properly stored, carried and used. There are of course two types, for tube and open sections, the open section ones being larger and more powerful. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2011 7:56:53 GMT
Whats the explosive thats in them? The only one that I can think of that needs percussion is semtex... that'd probably be overkill though! I was told it is cordite,detonated by five percussion caps in the top.If you look at the remains of a 'used'one you can see the outline of th caps in the top. |
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Post by Ben on Feb 7, 2011 17:52:35 GMT
I can imagine anything like that is leathal when handled without care! How very interesting about its contents. A quick wiki on Cordite says that it hasn't been produced since 2000, and also that it is said to deflagrate as opposed to detonate, because the explosion is subsonic.
Deflagrators instead of detonators?
Wiki on top form!...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2011 20:04:32 GMT
I can imagine anything like that is leathal when handled without care! How very interesting about its contents. A quick wiki on Cordite says that it hasn't been produced since 2000, and also that it is said to deflagrate as opposed to detonate, because the explosion is subsonic. Deflagrators instead of detonators? Wiki on top form!... I was told about the cordite as a traction trainee at Stratford in about 1973 so I suppose things may have changed,Deflagrate,nice word,must look it up. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2011 20:50:15 GMT
They were still Cordite when I qualified as a Guard in '87 and they haven't changed to my knowledge. They don't half make sheep run too!
The instructor on my Guards course used to be a signalman at Swanwick on the Portsmouth-Southampton line. He recalled an incident in the late 60s when they began to rip up the yard and demolish the outbuildings. One building they tackled had a biscuit tin full of detonators under a bench rusting away. Only a couple of 'dets' had not deteriorated enough to see the date of manufacture and they dated from 1924. The rest were too rusty to see any marks on them. There were 24 in all and it was decided by one and all to line them up on a siding and push a 16 tonner over them to see how many would actually go off.
All 24 went off! The Fire Brigade were there in minutes and a fair bit of explaining had to be done. Fun with Detonators! A long lost railway tradition!
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