Where are '83TS stored

This shows where they were and gives a little explination, but I think that most of them have been scrapped now.

I'm pretty sure, 100% infact, it's not. 72 MkI stock I'd say it is, the old style Northern line map is a bit of a give away I thought. That and the fact that is one of the regulars they hire to film crews as it is based at Aldwych usually, which is a hotspot in itself for film crews!

I didn't know there were so many, what's the wait for these being scrapped?

There are some at South Harrow and Cockfosters. Last time I visited Uxbridge, in August there were perhaps 2x 6 car sets in the sidings. Those at Cockfosters are covered in green gunge and have been heavilly vandalised by the local chav brigade. Those at South Harrow in the sidings are also in the same condition. I would guess that after so long in store, most of the equipment is probably seized

Out of sheer curiosity, if someone wanted to buy an 83, either one car of, or an entire train, what kinda money would be involved?

Also, what's at Shoeburyness? If it's MOD, are they used for target practice, or cut up for scrap / squished with a big crusher, or ... ?

They're not used by the MOD. It's just a big graveyard for old trains. You can see a bit through the outer fence - but be aware that this is an active MOD area, so they might not appreciate you hanging around for too long!

Why are/were the 83TS so bad?
If I ever travelled on them it would have been when I was too young to remember, so this is an honest question.

The 83's were very good trains. It's the Jubilee extention that ended thier life.

Firstly they were to be intergrated into the now 1996 stock thats why the 96 stock has the same low profile passenger windows to match. The 83's would have undergone a refurbishment with modifying the door width. As this was to be a lengthy and daft process it was decided to just order new stock.

Then apparently a few test runs of 83's on the piccadilly were run for gauging tests. These proved ok but it was decided not to go ahead to refurbish a few units for this line and so they lay dorment......

I don't think the 83ts had the same motors has the ones on the District line. IIRC one of the District line trains had prototype 83ts type motors recently changed.

Most of the ones calling them unreliable never went on them.

83TS also had non standard control equipment Knippe an electrically driven camshaft of German design.This was fitted to 5606 on the H& C as a test unit,it ran as a permanent middle motor till the test was finished,then rather than restore it to conventional PCM the unit was scrapped.

There's still some at Cockfosters depot, I don't think realistically they'll ever be able to be used again. I heard something once about a Perkins engine in these? I thought Perkins was an old diesel engine company.