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Post by mparker42 on Nov 15, 2010 9:11:42 GMT
Good morning all
Two quick questions. Recently I've been on a number of Met Line trains that have stopped at Neasden to let a member of staff off from the front cab (I normally sit at the front of the train so I've seen it happen). Is this normal working especially if the Jubilee Line is running fine? Also are the punctuality figures for the Met Line published anywhere?
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Mark
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2010 11:17:25 GMT
I don't think they're meant to do it, it's just as a favour to their colleagues. I've seen it done at Rickmansworth a few times too, the train stops a few train lengths out of the platform on the southbound and lets a driver get off at the car park!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2010 12:01:39 GMT
I don't think they're meant to do it, it's just as a favour to their colleagues. I've seen it done at Rickmansworth a few times too, the train stops a few train lengths out of the platform on the southbound and lets a driver get off at the car park! Well, the motormen in those days used to stop very short in the platform, place the guard's teacan on the platform, then creep to the end to open up. The guard would open his door to find his lovely tea (if done right).
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Post by metman on Nov 15, 2010 12:42:06 GMT
No drivers are not supposed to do it, and it does slow the journey down. Having said that, if someone did it for me as a favour I wouldn't be complaining!! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2010 14:30:38 GMT
No drivers are not supposed to do it, and it does slow the journey down. Having said that, if someone did it for me as a favour I wouldn't be complaining!! ;D Not sure about that, I know in WTT327 there were a few early morning pickups booked from NEA1 (Neasden platform one) but as we're about to start WTT329 I'm not sure if they're still in. One pickup there that I remember was the first Uxbridge from Baker Street, booked to stop NEA1, the night time driver got out and went to the depot to prep another train and bring it into service while the early turn driver started his shift going up on that first Uxbridge. Was in the duty sheets anyhow.
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Post by metman on Nov 15, 2010 19:25:00 GMT
I'm sure back in the day there was a staff train to Uxbridge. In the 40s it was run by 1913-21 saloon Circle stock.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2010 20:37:36 GMT
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Post by mparker42 on Nov 16, 2010 8:29:08 GMT
Thanks for the responses. The last time I stopped at Neasden was on a northbound Amersham train that was first stop Harrow.
Thanks Stig for the link. Interesting that they use 15 minutes delay as their base point. Personally I'm not happy if my met line rolls in 10 mins late. Still I can't say much as the train company I work for use T-15 as our main performance figure. Do they display these performance at stations? I don't recall seeing anything at my local station Croxley.
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Post by citysig on Nov 16, 2010 10:43:38 GMT
No drivers are not supposed to do it, and it does slow the journey down. They can (provided everything is done safely of course) and the impact on the railway is fairly minimal. The reverse could be that the driver doesn't get to/from Neasden as quickly as he/she may have done via the Jubilee Line - meaning a possibly larger impact on the service. The brief stop is only noticed by those people on the train itself. If we couldn't transport members of staff via a train cab to a specific location, the railway would frequently grind to a halt. Signal technicians are one such grade of people who use trains as part of failure rectification.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2010 15:42:37 GMT
Fully agree with Met Control. Back in the days of yore when I was a Controller, the Met Line management often had "purges" on drivers who stopped at Neasden when they shouldn't have (there were, however, a few dedicated crew relief stops at Neasden).
Then comes the two way process - drivers refused to stop when it was desirous to do so. These "purges" were soon dropped!
Before I was a Controller, I covered the Running SM (Station Master - "Managers" hadn't been invented then! ;D) at Neasden from time to time, and often the Wembley Park northbound pick-ups were very tight, especially if the Bakerloo was running late or had cancellations (as it often did in the early-1970s). A call was made to the Neasden South signalman to hold the next train for the crew relief to take place in the NB platform. And, as Met Control says, the only people that would notice were those on the train.
On one occasion, my call to the signalman was met with "the train's coming down the hill now". But because the crew relief was "urgent" (a motorman had to be relieved for an urgent domestic problem and had to go home straight away) he was told to return the signal to danger, and did so. The approaching train was 'tripped' on the starter and stopped north of the station. The relieving motorman ran down the track to relieve the driver (who stayed on the train to Wembley, because that's where he needed to go).
Bet we couldn't get away with that now - lighting, walking routes, and so on ....... But then, rightly or wrongly (and I'm not going down that avenue) we got the job done with the minimum of delay.
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Post by setttt on Nov 16, 2010 16:23:10 GMT
Bet we couldn't get away with that now - lighting, walking routes, and so on ....... But then, rightly or wrongly (and I'm not going down that avenue) we got the job done with the minimum of delay. In any case there would be no need now with the advent of connect radio and trackernet. The duty manager at Neasden can contact drivers directly and ask them to stop, which is common practice on weekends when the Jubilee is shut. Minimum of delay and no heart attack for the driver getting off! ;D
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Post by deadmans on Nov 18, 2010 15:34:34 GMT
Good morning all Two quick questions. Recently I've been on a number of Met Line trains that have stopped at Neasden to let a member of staff off from the front cab (I normally sit at the front of the train so I've seen it happen). Is this normal working especially if the Jubilee Line is running fine? Also are the punctuality figures for the Met Line published anywhere? Thanks Mark Its farking annoying, and i now refuse to stop my train. THEY CAN USE THE JUB INSTEAD.
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Post by citysig on Nov 19, 2010 10:11:08 GMT
Its farking annoying, and i now refuse to stop my train. THEY CAN USE THE JUB INSTEAD. How very team spirited of you deadmans. I trust that by this method of not stopping for anyone, we can see right-time or even early trips from you all of the time. You may get one or two calls a shift, we get many more for requests. Slightly irritating it may be - especially if we're busy - but better to move staff to where they should be, than cause delays through narrow-minded pettiness.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2010 17:30:42 GMT
Didn't some the fast Amershams used to stop at Wembley Park for a crew change back in the days when most ran AM5.
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