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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2010 19:59:06 GMT
Today, coming back home on a trusty A62, in Neasden sidings I saw the RAT carriage, ive know the interior hasnt been refurbished, and saw an orange rather than maroon back panel to the end of the carriage and yellow panels around the windows. If anyone has any links to photographs of its interior just to comfirm what i saw?
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Post by deadmans on Nov 6, 2010 20:01:42 GMT
Not the car I know. Yellow?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2010 20:06:20 GMT
thats what i saw briefly whilst doing 50mph in an A stock
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2010 21:47:18 GMT
I managed to get a quick tour of the RAT last week, 3 carriages are normal A stock and the other one is as follows. Unfortunately I only had my iPhone at the time so the pictures aren't the best. imgur.com/253Qf.jpgimgur.com/ADwsc.jpg |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2010 21:54:58 GMT
wow, the route map! thanks for the pics, why were the other carriages refurbished?
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Post by ducatisti on Nov 6, 2010 22:49:01 GMT
so what does the routemap say? why is the zone 1 bit dashed? Not one I recognise...
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Post by metrailway on Nov 6, 2010 23:12:19 GMT
so what does the routemap say? why is the zone 1 bit dashed? Not one I recognise... Zone 1 is dashed since back in the day the trains from the Met Main would only go onto the Circle during peak hours. |
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Post by astock5000 on Nov 6, 2010 23:13:01 GMT
why were the other carriages refurbished? The Rail Adhesion Car (6036) is only formed in a unit for Autumn / Winter, replacing one trailer (until 2004 the trailer was not removed, making a 5-car unit) - the rest of the time, and of course if a different unit is being used as the RAT, it is a normal unit. This year, the Rail Adhesion Train is formed 5066-6036-6067-5067, with car 6066 stored in Neasden depot. Another interesting thing about that line diagram is that it shows the Jubilee line. 6036 was withdrawn from passenger service in 1977, two years before the line opened. |
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Post by ruislip on Nov 6, 2010 23:35:11 GMT
so what does the routemap say? why is the zone 1 bit dashed? Not one I recognise... I remember the car maps that had most of the print in upper case. The only use of lower case letters was where there was an interchange with British Rail. |
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Post by metman on Nov 7, 2010 10:40:20 GMT
Good photos mate. I remember the old seating layout, very closed in compared with the refurb. The route map must have been changed I guess. Still a great find though.
You will find that a normal doubled ended unit will be used for the RAT, because the even numbered trailer is removed and replaced by 6036. On deicing trains (5088-5122+5234) this is normally the same car so these units are not used.
So this begs the question, what did bronzeonion see?
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Post by astock5000 on Nov 7, 2010 13:18:52 GMT
You will find that a normal doubled ended unit will be used for the RAT, because the even numbered trailer is removed and replaced by 6036. On deicing trains (5088-5122+5234) this is normally the same car so these units are not used. Although before they started removing the trailers, they almost always used a de-icing unit. |
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Post by metman on Nov 7, 2010 13:23:31 GMT
The dual effect was too good to miss. The RAC does have compressors doesn't it?
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Post by londonstuff on Nov 7, 2010 13:51:39 GMT
I managed to get a quick tour of the RAT last week, 3 carriages are normal A stock and the other one is as follows. Unfortunately I only had my iPhone at the time so the pictures aren't the best. imgur.com/253Qf.jpgimgur.com/ADwsc.jpgThose photos are great - well done. Notice how the part from Baker St to Aldgate is dashed, presumably because passenger numbers were much lower (and falling) then. Didn't the Met run along the lines of the current H&C line? Would the map visible be before or after these diagrams were put up? |
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Post by metman on Nov 7, 2010 14:32:18 GMT
Read Metrailways post:
To continue though, the Met has always run into the City during the peak hours only, and all 4 platforms were used as terminal platforms then (shame they can't anymore!). The Hammersmith and City service became it's own line from 1989-90. The Met was actually two separate lines although the map appeared to show you could go from Chesham to Barking in peak hours - this was not the case. What became the Hammersmith & City Line also only ran beyond Whitechapel in the peaks too.
The met may have started all day City runs in 1994?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2010 15:15:05 GMT
Read Metrailways post: To continue though, the Met has always run into the City during the peak hours only, and all 4 platforms were used as terminal platforms then (shame they can't anymore!). The Hammersmith and City service became it's own line from 1989-90. The Met was actually two separate lines although the map appeared to show you could go from Chesham to Barking in peak hours - this was not the case. What became the Hammersmith & City Line also only ran beyond Whitechapel in the peaks too. The met may have started all day City runs in 1994? I'd be very interested to see a "Metropolitan only" map showing all services including the ones subsequently devolved to the H&C. My brother has a route map from a train on his wall similar to the ones currently shown in the combined H&C/Circle/District "C Stock". The only difference being that the H&C is shown as the Metropolitan. At Baker Street an interchange is shown as "Metroplitan Main Line Services" or something like that, forgive my memory if I'm wrong here!  I can also remember getting on District Line trains at Mile End as a youngster (1970-74). The maps in some of them (usually the red trains) showed the circle line and also a very short section of Metropolitan Line between Liverpool Street and Aldgate East. |
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Post by metman on Nov 7, 2010 15:32:24 GMT
When the A stock were built, they only showed the mainline map in them. The CO/CP stock ran on the same routes as the Current C stock so had the maps needed. When the CO/CP stock went to the District between 1964-1971 the maps were changed. Sometimes the CO/CP stock was used on the Circle or on the Aldgate-Wimbledon route via Baker Street.
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Post by ruislip on Nov 7, 2010 16:38:05 GMT
The met may have started all day City runs in 1994? It was actually 1990 (services to/from Uxbridge--all stations & Amersham--fast). Four years later Uxbridge gained an additional 2tph off peak(these ony went as far as Baker St), with 2 of the Amersham services changed to semi-fast to Baker St and 2 of the Watford trains changed from all stations Baker St to Semi-fast Aldgate. Another change was made in 2001 which, IIRC, is still in play at present. The only through off-peak services all the way to/from Aldgate are from the Uxbridge branch; with Baker St being the terminus off-peak for Amershams and Watfords. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 7, 2010 17:30:03 GMT
. Didn't the Met run along the lines of the current H&C line? As it still does - the H&C, Circle and Met "main" line are all services originally operated by, and run over the tracks of, the Metropolitan Railway (1863-1933, RIP) However, over the years there has been some crossover, the H&C uses the MDR's tracks east of Whitechapel and the District uses the Met's north of High St Ken. Whether the Met uses the H&C's tracks between Liv St and Baker Street, or the H&C uses the Met's,cannor be definitively answered: they are both services which happen to use the same TfL infrastructure. |
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Post by citysig on Nov 7, 2010 22:04:22 GMT
Whether the Met uses the H&C's tracks between Liv St and Baker Street, or the H&C uses the Met's,cannor be definitively answered: they are both services which happen to use the same TfL infrastructure. Baker Street Junction through to Aldgate has, for a few years now, been known as the "Metropolitan and Circle lines." The H&C really only exists from Baker Street Junction through to Hammersmith, although to be honest by now, it should be labelled as the "Hammersmith and Circle Lines." |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2010 22:51:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2010 0:04:04 GMT
Tons better than my pictures, thanks for that!
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