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Post by uzairjubilee on Oct 16, 2010 20:50:52 GMT
Is there a timetable I could obtain for today?
Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2010 11:47:22 GMT
Best bet is to submit a Freedom of Infomation Act request to TfL and request the Timetable Notice for today.
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Post by Chris M on Oct 17, 2010 13:06:27 GMT
Bear in mind that, if they treat it like the working timetable requests, they will only supply it reluctantly and then only in hard copy.
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Post by uzairjubilee on Oct 17, 2010 17:35:06 GMT
Oh right. I though someone on here would have had it ;D.
But I asked because this weekend is the first time I've seen D Stocks terminate at Putney Bridge!
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 17, 2010 17:45:25 GMT
It is the first time in quite a while that it's been scheduled like this.
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Post by uzairjubilee on Oct 17, 2010 19:09:06 GMT
Were there no D's scheduled to terminate at PG?
Is this because the District is suspended HSK - EDR as well as the Wimbledon branch closure?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2010 19:17:50 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong but D Stocks reversed W-E at Putney Bridge, on the bridge (by shunting west of the station) while the C Stocks terminated in the bay.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 17, 2010 20:50:26 GMT
Were there no D's scheduled to terminate at PG? There were no booked PG reversers. Correct me if I'm wrong but D Stocks reversed W-E at Putney Bridge, on the bridge (by shunting west of the station) while the C Stocks terminated in the bay. That is perfectly correct. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2010 21:02:48 GMT
Bear in mind that, if they treat it like the working timetable requests, they will only supply it reluctantly and then only in hard copy. Why so coy? What are they afraid of? |
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Post by messiah on Oct 17, 2010 22:25:01 GMT
Best bet is to submit a Freedom of Infomation Act request to TfL and request the Timetable Notice for today. Wouldn't that be quite an expensive thing for TFL to process. (Log the request, pass the request ot the right department, dig out the information, have someone review it before it got sent out to make sure it was the right information, record the details of the information sent out - all as a minimum for what would be required). I'd rather my tube fare was kept at a minimum, rather than being used to supply information to enthusiasts that was not obviously "in the public interest". |
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Post by Colin on Oct 17, 2010 22:43:20 GMT
Don't forget that FOI requests attract a fee which is used to cover the cost of dealing with the enquiry, so you're fares are not used in this instance.
EDIT: a FOI request is the proper route as WTT's do have "Private - for staff use only" (or words to that effect) on them. Whilst a driver on this forum may be willing to pass on a copy to you, this would not be encouraged by the forum staff as they would effectively be by-passing the FOI act.
On top of that, their copy of the WTT may be required on future dates. I don't know if that applies to the WTT used this weekend as I wasn't working and am thus ignorant to whatever service was
provided.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2010 22:54:27 GMT
Don't forget that FOI requests attract a fee which is used to cover the cost of dealing with the enquiry, so you're fares are not used in this instance. FoIA requests are free to the requester but the authority they have requested from are allowed to have a (I think) £650 cap by law they do not have to give information out as a result from... |
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Post by splashdown on Oct 18, 2010 0:50:17 GMT
Wouldn't it be easier to visit a station and get them to do some photo copying or print out from the Intranet.
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Post by Chris W on Oct 18, 2010 15:29:53 GMT
Wouldn't it be easier to visit a station and get them to do some photo copying or print out from the Intranet. It depends if station staff want to keep their job or not...!! As Colin mentioned above TTs are private documents for staff use only. It may seem simpler for members of the public to turn up at a station and ask to see something, but LU staff do have better things to do and they may not be best placed to know what they can/cannot give members of the public access to. That's why FOI mechanisms are in place. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2010 15:49:50 GMT
I think it had to do with the signal failure at Wimbledon this AM. Everything was screwed up
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 18, 2010 16:00:52 GMT
This mornings mess also meant we had the rarely used 'Wimbledon Park' showing on D Stock.
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Post by splashdown on Oct 19, 2010 1:47:04 GMT
Wouldn't it be easier to visit a station and get them to do some photo copying or print out from the Intranet. It depends if station staff want to keep their job or not...!! As Colin mentioned above TTs are private documents for staff use only. It may seem simpler for members of the public to turn up at a station and ask to see something, but LU staff do have better things to do and they may not be best placed to know what they can/cannot give members of the public access to. That's why FOI mechanisms are in place. Working timetables say - Private for staff use only It does not say - Private and confidential This means if a member of public came to a station and asked the time of a train that would get them to Euston by 06.30 a member of staff would provide that information. In that respect I personally made timetables with accurate times for the public to see from my working timetable and I also provided a copy of the relevant page when asked. I considered it customer service. I never gave a whole timetable away or needed to print out every page but specific questions could easily be answered. I never felt this would loose me my job either. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2010 17:27:34 GMT
I think I'm missing he point. What's the point of having a timetable if it's not available to the public ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2010 17:37:17 GMT
I think I'm missing he point. What's the point of having a timetable if it's not available to the public ? Oh, it's not the same kinda timetable. This is the internal working timetable. The only published line timetable for passengers is of the Metropolitan, IIRC. |
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Post by trainopd78 on Oct 19, 2010 18:04:19 GMT
A full working timetable runs into 100 pages or so, so photocopying an issue is really not an option in these times of austerity. We struggle to get permission to use duplicate material for professional use.
Edited to add this: A working timetable goes far deeper than a passenger timetable. The working timetable includes train numbers, trip numbers, details of step backs (on lines which have it), duty numbers on some lines, details of trains required for service, details of which trains come out of which depots and at what times, empty stock runs and special trains and loads of other bits and pieces, so its far more information than the average traveller requires.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2010 19:57:23 GMT
The working timetable includes train numbers, trip numbers, details of step backs (on lines which have it), duty numbers on some lines, details of trains required for service, details of which trains come out of which depots and at what times, empty stock runs and special trains and loads of other bits and pieces, so its far more information than the average traveller requires. But then again - not many members on this forum are "average travellers" either!  |
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 19, 2010 20:29:26 GMT
A full working timetable runs into 100 pages or so <random statistic> I did some rough calculations and I reckon I've got details of about 6½ million individual Underground trains in my library. </random statistic> |
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Post by rincew1nd on Oct 19, 2010 21:14:40 GMT
I did some rough calculations and I reckon I've got details of about 6½ million individual Underground trains in my library. I remember hearing a story about a council library somewhere that had to be demolished because the architect hadn't calculated for the weight of the books, I suspect 6½ million trains puts a considerable strain on your foundations. How does AI cope? |
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 19, 2010 21:18:44 GMT
I did some rough calculations and I reckon I've got details of about 6½ million individual Underground trains in my library. I remember hearing a story about a council library somewhere that had to be demolished because the architect hadn't calculated for the weight of the books, I suspect 6½ million trains puts a considerable strain on your foundations. How does AI cope? Whalebone Underpinning. I posit that I've got about 100kg of WTTs alone. |
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Post by Chris M on Oct 19, 2010 22:09:34 GMT
I did some rough calculations and I reckon I've got details of about 6½ million individual Underground trains in my library. I remember hearing a story about a council library somewhere that had to be demolished because the architect hadn't calculated for the weight of the books, I suspect 6½ million trains puts a considerable strain on your foundations. How does AI cope? Off topic, but my aunt briefly worked at a university library in the US (I can't remember which one). The building was a new tower block, but the architect again hadn't calculated for the weight of books and so the external cladding was falling off. Only the librarians were allowed in the building and the only access was via a specially built covered walkway with a reenforced roof. This would be sometime in the mid to late 1970s or early 1980s I think. |
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Post by ruislip on Oct 19, 2010 22:37:52 GMT
I think I'm missing he point. What's the point of having a timetable if it's not available to the public ? Oh, it's not the same kinda timetable. This is the internal working timetable. The only published line timetable for passengers is of the Metropolitan, IIRC. And if I am correct, isn't it just for the Amersham/Chesham services? |
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Post by abe on Oct 20, 2010 6:54:59 GMT
Sort of... it covers the line from Aldgate to Amersham/Chesham, and only includes those services that run to/from them (as well as trains starting and finishing at Rickmansworth).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2010 9:16:55 GMT
You mean that the working timetable isn't available via an Iphone/IPAD app ? Money to be made there. LOL
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Post by flippyff on Oct 20, 2010 20:30:54 GMT
Sort of... it covers the line from Aldgate to Amersham/Chesham, and only includes those services that run to/from them (as well as trains starting and finishing at Rickmansworth). Well..... Someone could always download the TfL Timetable dataset from data.london.gov.uk/datastore/package/tfl-timetable-listings (24MB zip, 1.15GB unzipped) and then download "Transxchange Publisher" from the DfT website, fiddle about with it all (read the comments on the 1st link for clues) and produce their own 'public' timetable. 833 page PDF for the District line anyone? ;-) Simon |
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Post by splashdown on Oct 21, 2010 3:23:05 GMT
'Working Timetables: Introduce the Working Timetable and appreciate how such a seemingly simple document can be so complex'  |
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