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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2010 14:36:24 GMT
This afternoon at Earls Court I was again asked "does this train go to Notting Hill Gate" and I again gave my lecturette on how to tell Edgware Road from City trains by their doors - double-leaf and single-leaf respectively.
My question is this: do "C" stocks go towards Gloucester Road often enough that I should stop doing this because it's more misleading than helpful?
And if it isn't, why doesn't LUL produce an illustrated poster for westbound platforms Earl's Court to Wimbledon showing the two types of doors as a guide for passengers? Surely anything that gets us off platforms onto trains when they arrive is a good thing from everyone's POV?
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Post by Oracle on Oct 11, 2010 15:06:12 GMT
I'll bet that even if the platform staff said that the train on Platform_ (could be either usual EB) stops at HSK, NHG, Bayswater, Paddington and Edgware Road that the public would still be confused. As I get older I appreciate that sometimes PA messages just do not get heard and understood with acoustics in open buildings, hearing problems and perhaps English not being the first language. Probably the best answer is 'NO' or 'YES' when queried. However, I applaud the lecturette idea! I would not have thought of the description of the doors myself!  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2010 15:32:08 GMT
This afternoon at Earls Court I was again asked "does this train go to Notting Hill Gate" and I again gave my lecturette on how to tell Edgware Road from City trains by their doors - double-leaf and single-leaf respectively. My question is this: do "C" stocks go towards Gloucester Road often enough that I should stop doing this because it's more misleading than helpful? And if it isn't, why doesn't LUL produce an illustrated poster for westbound platforms Earl's Court to Wimbledon showing the two types of doors as a guide for passengers? Surely anything that gets us off platforms onto trains when they arrive is a good thing from everyone's POV? Well there are Wimbledon to Mansion House trains today. |
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Post by Colin on Oct 11, 2010 16:05:28 GMT
I again gave my lecturette on how to tell Edgware Road from City trains by their doors - double-leaf and single-leaf respectively. When I was station staff at Earls Court we had the luxury of non-refurbished D stocks - "take the train with red doors" - easy peasy!!  ;D ;D I wouldn't fancy trying to explain the different sizes of doorways, but I have learned that it's actually very easy to tell 'em what train train to get; I just say "you want the train which says Edgware Road on the front". Even the foreigners understand - they're not as daft as we probably think they are. The other very easy method is to ask them for their map as all of those unfamiliar with LU will have map on them - it's very rare that they haven't got a copy - then I just show them what word to look for. If have a pen in my pocket I also circle it to help them find it again when they check their map against the front of a train. This method means you can also cater for D stocks to High Street then a change to a Circle. My question is this: do "C" stocks go towards Gloucester Road often enough that I should stop doing this because it's more misleading than helpful? There are no C stocks timetabled to go to Gloucester Road from Earls Court, so if you can get them to understand the difference, there should be no further confusion caused. That said, if the route to High Street is unavailable or we have an emergency timetable in operation..... That's why I prefer not to describe the differences between stocks now - it can cause more problems than it solves. And if it isn't, why doesn't LUL produce an illustrated poster for westbound platforms Earl's Court to Wimbledon showing the two types of doors as a guide for passengers? Surely anything that gets us off platforms onto trains when they arrive is a good thing from everyone's POV? I thought we was talking about the Eastbound?  Both C and D stocks go to Wimbledon, so your suggestion would mean that half the trains on that branch would be empty!! And if we applied it to the Eastbound, there'd be loads of people going to High Street on D stocks that expected them to go towards Gloucester Road, South ken, etc.... |
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Post by SE13 on Oct 11, 2010 19:25:50 GMT
Fear not, I can't tell the difference between any of the SSL stock (apart from S8)....
They've given me rockets, but I still can't do it.
DLL is easy though.......
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2010 21:22:35 GMT
Of course I meant EASTbound... thanks, Colin!
SE13: well, tha noos the noo ;D
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Post by v52gc on Oct 12, 2010 5:50:45 GMT
Most people don't notice the number of door leaves...
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Post by SE13 on Oct 12, 2010 13:29:07 GMT
SE13: well, tha noos the noo ;D But looking from the front, I can't pick them apart, but 67, 72, 73, 92, 95 & 96 stock are easy to pick apart to me.  |
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Post by Ben on Oct 12, 2010 16:14:50 GMT
The headlights; gotta be the most straightforward one.
A stock left side only above the buffer, C stock both sides above the buffer, D stock both sides on the buffer.
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Post by Chris M on Oct 12, 2010 17:21:24 GMT
I use a combination of the headlights and profile.
Straight sides: D stock
angled sides, 1 headlight: A stock
angled sides, 2 headlights: C stock
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2010 17:49:17 GMT
Yes the D stock has flared sides rather than the odd angle that the A/C have. I struggled to tell the difference at first but can tell on a glimpse now! A stockC stockD stockS Stock |
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 12, 2010 17:54:43 GMT
Yes the D stock has flared sides rather than the odd angle that the A/C have. I struggled to tell the difference at first but can tell on a glimpse now! Be careful what you call 'flared' sides. Normally used in an LU context for stuff like CO/CP stock, R stock and others of that ilk. Clicky  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2010 17:56:35 GMT
Be careful what you call 'flared' sides. Normally used in an LU context for stuff like CO/CP stock, R stock and others of that ilk. Clicky I said sides, not bottoms ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2010 19:27:24 GMT
I use a combination of the headlights and profile. Straight sides: D stock angled sides, 1 headlight: A stock angled sides, 2 headlights: C stock nono, D stock is that one with the headlights almost sweeping the running rails! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2010 19:42:38 GMT
Why not just say C stock has yellow poles and D stock green ones?
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Post by Chris M on Oct 12, 2010 19:44:10 GMT
Because that doesn't help you identify the train from the front
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2010 19:44:57 GMT
Why not just say C stock has yellow poles and D stock green ones? yes, that or that the D stock has glowing text in the windows and inside |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2010 3:23:07 GMT
The D stock also has the white gaps on the door frames.
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Post by jazza on Oct 13, 2010 12:14:13 GMT
"Puts sarcastic hat on" - I tend to find looking at the bit on the front with a place name on it the best way to tell what kind of train it is and where it's going - "Takes off sarcastic hat and ducks down"
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Post by SE13 on Oct 13, 2010 12:31:10 GMT
"Puts sarcastic hat on" - I tend to find looking at the bit on the front with a place name on it the best way to tell what kind of train it is and where it's going - "Takes off sarcastic hat and ducks down"  Still doesn't help that C and D run on the District though. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2010 12:42:50 GMT
maybe the easiest is to tell them how car numbering works! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2010 13:50:37 GMT
The D stock has a flat, slanted bodyside; the C stock has canted bodysides...
OH. LIGHTBULB!!
D stock doesn't have the black gaskets for the bulletproof glass.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2010 20:49:45 GMT
"Puts sarcastic hat on" - I tend to find looking at the bit on the front with a place name on it the best way to tell what kind of train it is and where it's going - "Takes off sarcastic hat and ducks down" Yes, just make sure that you only board trains at stations where the access is at the front of the platform. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2010 9:53:04 GMT
Seriously tho, aren't the grab-rails a major indicator?
Or must we start on seat moquette?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2010 10:34:27 GMT
Seriously tho, aren't the grab-rails a major indicator? Or must we start on seat moquette? no, I'm sure the in-car diagrams will do - as long as they don't peek their head in to look at it a bit too late (typically after the chime has started) |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2010 13:45:01 GMT
True... Pity we don't have the colours to differentiate...
Black roof? White roof? (discounts C77 with white roofs...)
Half red-bit on the front of D, plain for C.
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Post by Chris M on Oct 14, 2010 14:58:28 GMT
Half red-bit on the front of D, plain for C. The whole front of a D stock red since they were refurbed (although I'm not sure about UNDMs). |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2010 15:16:19 GMT
Half red-bit on the front of D, plain for C. The whole front of a D stock red since they were refurbed (although I'm not sure about UNDMs). I was referring to pre-refurb for both of them, tho' I do get what you mean. This is tough... |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 14, 2010 15:32:21 GMT
The whole front of a D stock red since they were refurbed (although I'm not sure about UNDMs). As you were asking, the blunt end of a D Stock: tinyurl.com/38my9vv |
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Post by Chris M on Oct 14, 2010 16:14:57 GMT
Cheers for that.
What's the reasoning behind the "access to car prohibited" notice? As the door is open, it appears someone has either accessed or alighted the car by that means.
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;D ;D I wouldn't fancy trying to explain the different sizes of doorways, but I have learned that it's actually very easy to tell 'em what train train to get; I just say "you want the train which says Edgware Road on the front". Even the foreigners understand - they're not as daft as we probably think they are.
