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Post by District Dave on Dec 31, 2010 15:53:27 GMT
Essentially Colin has it right.
The issue with 10 Road is that there are two sets of points that need to be updated and this hasn't been done yet (I've heard a suggestion that March/April will see that done) but at the moment the loss of these two stabling points isn't an issue as there are eight stablers each night so they are surplus at the moment.
The issue with 'no C Stock on 10 top' is that there are hude gaps in the current rails and there's at least an even chance that a C Stock could end up all night 'off juice' - not a desireable situation! Not sure how this will finally be sorted.
With the support of my colleague I/O's it's introduction went well - after much hard work in getting drivers familiarised with the area before it went live.
So essentially it's now all up and running; there are a few minor issues as to the operation of the signals in the area which need to settle down and become familiar, but that's nothing major.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2011 21:29:42 GMT
The Possession at Triangle has been taken
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Post by Colin on Jan 2, 2011 18:45:25 GMT
So the possession has only been taken a little late and there should be no over run come May then?
Do you know why there was a delay as no one on the operational side of things knows why it wasn't taken in December as planned.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2011 23:54:23 GMT
It was taken in December cant remember the exact date but the track fuses for the sidings have been all removed. The night is was done the LC knew nothing about it only the SM knew it has caused alot of confussion but I believe the main concern was getting Lillie Bridge to operate correctly
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2011 9:20:34 GMT
It was taken in December cant remember the exact date but the track fuses for the sidings have been all removed. The night is was done the LC knew nothing about it only the SM knew it has caused alot of confussion but I believe the main concern was getting Lillie Bridge to operate correctly *LC walks in to control room* We err... seem to have all tracks down at triangle.. b*gger. ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2011 11:48:46 GMT
but I believe the main concern was getting Lillie Bridge to operate correctly This was certainly a large part of the jigsaw, things were being signed off with days to go in order to make Lillie Bridge ready. There was even a contingency TTN prepared (for the week of 13th to 17th Dec) to stable all of the LB trains back to ECMDT & TRISDGS if LB wasn't ready! Another factor I believe was the amount of shunting resource available for LB on the fleet side. Every train starting and stabling at LBDT requires a shunter to see it out/in. I think TRISDGS, was taken as a posession 'light' if you know what I mean, fuses pulled but plug 'em back in if needed (not sure how complicated a task this actually is, but I don't believe any work is to start just yet until fleet are 100% happy with the whole set up at LBDT).
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Post by zakwebb on Jan 3, 2011 16:57:55 GMT
"The issue with 'no C Stock on 10 top' is that there are hude gaps in the current rails and there's at least an even chance that a C Stock could end up all night 'off juice' - not a desireable situation! Not sure how this will finally be sorted". How can a mistake like this be made. Is it not simply a case of when laying down the track to keep the measurements right? I am not too familiar with the lingo but when you say the possesion at Triangle has been taken what do you mean by this? Does it mean Triangle has "NOT" been decomissioned and will be be used when needed if there are problems at lille? or does it mean it is still being used as a regular stabler?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 3, 2011 17:17:31 GMT
I am not too familiar with the lingo but when you say the possession at Triangle has been taken what do you mean by this? That the sidings have been removed from the operational railway and the booked engineering works can now take place.
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Post by zakwebb on Jan 3, 2011 17:50:51 GMT
Does that mean triangle cannot even be used now in an emergency?
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Post by Colin on Jan 3, 2011 19:07:38 GMT
"The issue with 'no C Stock on 10 top' is that there are hude gaps in the current rails and there's at least an even chance that a C Stock could end up all night 'off juice' - not a desireable situation! Not sure how this will finally be sorted". How can a mistake like this be made. Is it not simply a case of when laying down the track to keep the measurements right? Errmm....Lillie Bridge has existed in it's current state for decades!! The issue with the C stocks would have been identified during the gauging runs which took place late in 2010 - therefore it was most likely too late to have anything done prior to the depot being used for stabling passenger stock from 12th December, and it was (as already suggested) most probably deemed that the issue would not stand in the way of the depot being used for stabling passenger stock. Does that mean triangle cannot even be used now in an emergency? I'm not entirely sure what the current situation is now as the posts above seem to indicate two different versions of what has or hasn't happened. In any case though, if either action has been taken Triangle is effectively sliced off from the railway and would not be available at short notice. The full possession proper would mean the points giving access to Triangle sidings are scotched, clipped and padlocked out of use - there is no going back on that as work will have started within the sidings and they are effectively non existent as far as the railway is concerned. If it's still only the "light possession" suggested by shedcompnodosh, then it may be possible to re-instate Triangle sidings with a fair degree of notice (technical staff would be required as would access to the track, etc, etc).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2011 19:33:30 GMT
The full possession proper would mean the points giving access to Triangle sidings are scotched, clipped and padlocked out of use - there is no going back on that as work will have started within the sidings and they are effectively non existent as far as the railway is concerned. If it's still only the "light possession" suggested by shedcompnodosh, then it may be possible to re-instate Triangle sidings with a fair degree of notice (technical staff would be required as would access to the track, etc, etc). Not having been in the 'Ugrades Loop' over the Xmas period, I guess my gen is probably 10 days out of date now, which is a long time in the world of SSR Upgrades, but Colin's summary of what I described as a 'posession light' is exactly what I mean ! The week before Xmas, the temp TTN I mentioned was not needed, trains managed to stable at LBDT as booked when the new WTT's were introduced (as we all know), however I believe that the physical work has been delayed in TRISDGS until all parties (I think fleet more than most) are totally comfortable with the operation of LBDT, in particular the shunting resource I mentioned. Therefore I 'believe' the posession was taken (possibly slightly later than planned to the extent of days?) but nothing major has occured in terms of physical works, so that it could be re-instated as a stabling/prep facility if required (with some minor works perhaps) I think there is a date in mid/late January when works proper are planned to commence, when it is hoped that all stakeholders are totally happy with LBDT and all associated aspects of it's operation (which may well be the case already by now!?!)
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Post by District Dave on Jan 3, 2011 20:39:58 GMT
How can a mistake like this be made. Is it not simply a case of when laying down the track to keep the measurements right? :: As stated by Colin the layout in Lillie Bridge has existed for many years. In the work that was involved in upgrading the depot to bring it up to current standards much work has taken place renewing some areas of track, removing redundant track, points etc. and upgrading traction current rails and supplies (and much, much more). The specific issue with 10 Top is that there is an old weighbridge which is of course made up of large areas of metal plates over which currenr rails cannot be laid - hence (at least in part) why there are larger than normal gaps in the traction current rails. The problem here (I think!) was largely the old issue of 'not seeing the wood for the trees' and though this may seem a bit lame I can assure you it is true; I spent a great deal of time in the depot whilst work was ongoing and believe me it was only very late in the day that it was 'seen' and raised as a problem.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2011 22:52:04 GMT
Triangle Sidings upto Xmas Eve could be brought back into use again if the track fuses for the sidings were put back in what has happened since then I wouldnt know as I have been off. The night of the fuse pulling contractors were suppose to go in and put boards up and clip and scotch the points thats 156,157,158 but this didnt happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2011 16:41:29 GMT
Sorry if I am asking an obvious question, but do I take it that W/TT 10 with Lillie bridge stabling, has not come into effect yet ?
If however it has, how many roads remain for engineering train stabling ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2011 17:31:48 GMT
Triangle Sidings upto Xmas Eve could be brought back into use again if the track fuses for the sidings were put back in what has happened since then I wouldnt know as I have been off. The night of the fuse pulling contractors were suppose to go in and put boards up and clip and scotch the points thats 156,157,158 but this didnt happen. Those points are now scotched and clipped, the juice is off in Triangle and the possession fully taken. I forget which night it was done on, but it happened when I was on nights last week.
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Post by Colin on Jan 19, 2011 1:52:11 GMT
Well to add more, I noticed this evening that there was an engineers train on 33 road and in the distance (I was on the main going to & from Earls Court & Gloucester road - the distance being towards High Street/entrance to 33-36 roads) was a road/rail JCB type machine.
So the works in Triangle have now begun.....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2011 19:08:11 GMT
I came from High Street last night on the last train to Ealing and there is hoarding up in the sidings and the JCB was digging away near the staff level crossing.
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