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Post by harlesden on Sept 30, 2010 19:13:18 GMT
I heard that LU-type whistles had been specially fitted to 378 stock. Just wondered if it is true, and if so, why.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2010 19:34:42 GMT
I heard that LU-type whistles had been specially fitted to 378 stock. Just wondered if it is true, and if so, why. If that were the case, the only thing I could think of would be to do with track sharing with LUL Gunnersbury to Richmond and Queens park to Harrow and W. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2010 20:08:29 GMT
I heard that LU-type whistles had been specially fitted to 378 stock. Just wondered if it is true, and if so, why. If that were the case, the only thing I could think of would be to do with track sharing with LUL Gunnersbury to Richmond and Queens park to Harrow and W. Their main purpose is for shunting. The peep whistle is slightly less likely to deafen someone a few metres away! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2010 20:52:14 GMT
If that were the case, the only thing I could think of would be to do with track sharing with LUL Gunnersbury to Richmond and Queens park to Harrow and W. Their main purpose is for shunting. The peep whistle is slightly less likely to deafen someone a few metres away! I recall in the Rev. Awdry series, all the engines went "peep peep" apart from Gordon, the largest, who went "poop poop". So basically what you're saying is poop is deafening? ;D Good explanation though. Thank you.  |
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Post by astock5000 on Sept 30, 2010 21:36:32 GMT
I heard that LU-type whistles had been specially fitted to 378 stock. I'm not sure that they were 'specially fitted' - class 377s (and possibly other electrostars) have whistles as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2010 23:24:59 GMT
Harry is correct. They are for use on depots.
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Post by 21146 on Sept 30, 2010 23:45:50 GMT
Perhaps it's more pertinent to ask why LU rolling stock don't need two-tone horns to operate over NR lines?
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Post by Ben on Sept 30, 2010 23:59:23 GMT
Pass; but I'll play the devils advocate card of grandfather rights. Not that it could be, surely...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2010 21:00:54 GMT
Perhaps it's more pertinent to ask why LU rolling stock don't need two-tone horns to operate over NR lines? I've often felt its the other way around. Main line rolling stock operating over what is basically a tube lines - at least in the case of Gunnersbury to Richmond and Queens Park to Harrow and Wealdstone. The quality of track seems inferior compared with NR lines and why does every signal need a tripcock? TPWS on NR lines is not fitted at every signal! |
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Post by harlesden on Oct 1, 2010 21:04:45 GMT
I thought both sections referred to were NR responsibility
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2010 21:14:16 GMT
I thought both sections referred to were NR responsibility I think they are. It just feels like a tube line. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2010 21:17:54 GMT
Perhaps it's more pertinent to ask why LU rolling stock don't need two-tone horns to operate over NR lines? I've often felt its the other way around. Main line rolling stock operating over what is basically a tube lines - at least in the case of Gunnersbury to Richmond and Queens Park to Harrow and Wealdstone. The quality of track seems inferior compared with NR lines and why does every signal need a tripcock? TPWS on NR lines is not fitted at every signal! Signals don't have tripcocks! They do have train stops at stop signals though. Maybe NR think that the current track is adequate or too expensive to sort out. The only quirk is that Wimbledon to East Putney is operated by NR to their standards but is maintained by LU. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2010 21:43:10 GMT
I've often felt its the other way around. Main line rolling stock operating over what is basically a tube lines - at least in the case of Gunnersbury to Richmond and Queens Park to Harrow and Wealdstone. The quality of track seems inferior compared with NR lines and why does every signal need a tripcock? TPWS on NR lines is not fitted at every signal! Signals don't have tripcocks! They do have train stops at stop signals though. Maybe NR think that the current track is adequate or too expensive to sort out. The only quirk is that Wimbledon to East Putney is operated by NR to their standards but is maintained by LU. My brain isnt working. Quite right, the train has the trip cock and signal has the train stop. |
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Post by glenntandh on Oct 1, 2010 22:02:27 GMT
"I've often felt its the other way around. Main line rolling stock operating over what is basically a tube lines - at least in the case of Gunnersbury to Richmond and Queens Park to Harrow and Wealdstone. The quality of track seems inferior compared with NR lines and why does every signal need a tripcock? TPWS on NR lines is not fitted at every signal!"
The DC Lines and Gunnersbury-Richmond is owned and maintained and signalled by Network Rail. TPWS is not fitted at every signal but AWS is fitted to every colour light signal and semaphore distant except on some freight lines. LT had train stops before AWS was widely installed so where LT & non LT trains operated over the same lines LT insisted on train stops being fitted to all signals and all trains using the lines to be trip cock fitted.
Prior to privatisation East Putney to Wimbledon was owned, maintained and signalled by BR, even the stations were operated by BR with BR signage. Prior to Railtrack taking over the ticket offices were rebuilt to LUL standards at some cost and the stations were transferred to LUL operation. There was not enough money to rip up the signalling so that is still controlled by Wimbledon PSB. I think the line is still available for non LUL traffic so I would think Network Rail still owns and maintains the track and signalling and possibly the stations as well.
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Post by Colin on Oct 2, 2010 1:35:30 GMT
Prior to privatisation East Putney to Wimbledon was owned, maintained and signalled by BR, even the stations were operated by BR with BR signage. Prior to Railtrack taking over the ticket offices were rebuilt to LUL standards at some cost and the stations were transferred to LUL operation. There was not enough money to rip up the signalling so that is still controlled by Wimbledon PSB. I think the line is still available for non LUL traffic so I would think Network Rail still owns and maintains the track and signalling and possibly the stations as well. You was doing ok until the last sentence...... LU bought the track and stations on the Wimbledon branch for a nominal amount of money in 1994 (£1 I believe but I'm open to correction), so the branch and it's assets are owned by LU. The signalling is indeed operated by Wimbledon PSB, and so the branch is consequently signalled to NR (Network Rail) standards and operated under NR rules & procedures. All track and signal maintenance is contracted by LU to a NR contractor. South West trains use the branch regularly for empty stock moves. They have also run passenger carrying trains non stop on occasional weekends when they have engineering work affecting their routes, though the last time this occurred was probably about a year ago now. There was also a single late night non stopping passenger carrying train that used the branch, though whether it still runs I don't know. |
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 2, 2010 2:51:45 GMT
why does every signal need a tripcock? <off topic> Could you imagine batting and tonking past Scout Green in the up direction with the fear of a tripcock being against you? I'm sure A.F. Bound might sympathise. ;D </off topic> |
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Post by Oracle on Oct 2, 2010 7:53:35 GMT
Booked passenger services:
Wimbledon North Junction - East Putney (Junction) - Point Pleasant Junction
0454 SuX Basingstoke - Waterloo
Point Pleasant Junction - East Putney (Junction - Wimbledon North Junction
0105 SX Waterloo - Southampton Central
0042 SX Waterloo - Strawberry Hill
I am sure that I have seen that the NR/LT connection is EP Junction and likewise the NR connection before Wimbledon in North Junction but this is under correction.
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Post by harlesden on Oct 2, 2010 7:57:59 GMT
tonking?
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Post by Chris M on Oct 2, 2010 9:55:06 GMT
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Post by harlesden on Oct 2, 2010 12:21:06 GMT
Ah! Not a concept encountered on the Goblin. "Are we there yet?". And I used to think the old EBY to GFD line was slow.
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Post by glenntandh on Oct 3, 2010 20:54:56 GMT
You was doing ok until the last sentence...... LU bought the track and stations on the Wimbledon branch for a nominal amount of money in 1994 (£1 I believe but I'm open to correction), so the branch and it's assets are owned by LU. The signalling is indeed operated by Wimbledon PSB, and so the branch is consequently signalled to NR (Network Rail) standards and operated under NR rules & procedures. All track and signal maintenance is contracted by LU to a NR contractor. My memory is failing! I'd forgotten about the £1 transaction until you mentioned it! I used to use the District to East Putney from Autumn 1993 to Easter 1994 to get to a day release health & safety representatives' course at Putney College so I remember all the building works before the 1st April Railtrack takeover. The current arrangements are even stranger than what existed before, still I suppose no potential franchisee would want to run stations that none of their trains stopped at! |
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