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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2010 17:47:46 GMT
I know I mentioned this once before but the answer given then (Bakerloo colour scheme) has led to even more confusion for me. So, why does the heritage 38TS have a brown roof as I can't recall ever seeing one on the Bakerloo, Northern or Piccadilly lines in my youth and can't find any pictures of one in service, even on the Bakerloo as suggested, on the web. I've concluded that this must be due to them having been changed to (what looks like) dark grey before the advent of common place colour photography. Could somebody let me know when the last brown roofed 38TS actually ran in service, and even better provide a picture? Please help!! I need to know because that brown roof rather spoils the heritage train for me as it's not as I recall!!  |
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Post by metman on Sept 5, 2010 18:14:16 GMT
The red oxide roofs came in after the war. Most stock were provided with these on overhaul. After some time in the tunnels the roofs tended to go grey, probably what you remember. I also hate the brown roof look too!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2010 16:18:29 GMT
I remember the COP and R stocks used to have the red oxide roofs, too - a recently overhauled unit was a beautiful sight. Not least because the thick roof ridge was painted either red or white and looked really smart.
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Post by phillw48 on Sept 15, 2010 9:09:51 GMT
The brown roof was introduced in 1939/40 to replace the light grey as an air raid precaution. London Transport liveries pre-war all had light coloured roofs, in the case of buses and trolleybuses silver! This was highly visible from the air and it was felt that this would invite attack. The colour depended on availability not that there was much choice, brown (red oxide) or grey.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2010 19:55:26 GMT
The brown roof was introduced in 1939/40 to replace the light grey as an air raid precaution. London Transport liveries pre-war all had light coloured roofs, in the case of buses and trolleybuses silver! This was highly visible from the air and it was felt that this would invite attack. The colour depended on availability not that there was much choice, brown (red oxide) or grey. That makes a lot of sense! Thank you Phil....don't suppose you have a picture? |
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Post by phillw48 on Sept 22, 2010 21:24:20 GMT
Sorry I don't have any pics. There is an early 1940 picture of a newly delivered trolleybus in Ilford still with a silver painted roof in 'Trolleybus' by Ken Blacker, so it looks like this was done after Dunkirk. I think it is probable that most of the 38TS was delivered with light grey roofs and were repainted before entering service. It probably had more to do with the availability of pigments after the war that the red oxide/dark grey was continued.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2010 22:20:47 GMT
On the front cover of the excellent 'Workhorses Of The London Underground' there is a picture of a Standard stock Pilot Motor with an ex-works R stock vehicle behind it in white livery with a red-oxide roof. I think it looks most odd! They very quickly weathered to a charcoal black shade so I'll be doing my model set with that as I think it looks better.
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Post by metman on Sept 22, 2010 22:28:16 GMT
Agreed!!
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Post by metnumber1 on Oct 18, 2010 17:01:12 GMT
In all the years in which I was associated with Acton Works I never saw an overhauled tube or surface stock car leave with anything but the red oxide roof, and very smart they looked too.
Jim Stringer
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