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Post by nutterathome on Jun 26, 2005 20:11:36 GMT
As someone lucky enough to have worked both the Signal Cabin Lever Frame, ELCP and the Big Frame at Wood Lane I would say that local knowledge (Signalman, not PC correct but I don't care) and the speed of operation are two very essential ingredients in operating a Line.
At Leytonstone for instance, if a train is booked in to WB P2 with a train already there but P1 is clear a Signalman would 'set the route' but the rubbish we use today leaves the train at the Inner Home while it waits up to a minute before re-routing it. I have never come across such a slow and clumsy system that actually DELAYS trains.
I could rant on about the faults of Command and Control but I know the Bosses of LU read these threads.
Incidentally, the Central run more trains in 1968 and I believe the District back in the 50's did the same, all under 'conventional' signaling.......progress..yeah right.
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Post by q8 on Jun 26, 2005 21:43:14 GMT
Yeah we did (on the District at least) 90 second headways except preceding circle line trains when it was 2 minutes. I have also known a programme machine route a High Street train from Richmond via the middle road at Earls Court and hold an Upminster train from Wimbledon at the home. Machines....Pah!!!!
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Post by Colin on Jun 27, 2005 5:23:57 GMT
I have also known a programme machine route a High Street train from Richmond via the middle road at Earls Court and hold an Upminster train from Wimbledon at the home. Machines....Pah!!!! Some things haven't changed then!! ;D |
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Post by citysig on Jun 27, 2005 20:44:06 GMT
As someone who works with what is still LU's most reliable computerised signalling system, I will add this.
As I am sure nutterathome will acknowledge, the machine is only as good as that which is entered into it. It does not have some kind of artificial intelligence and does not learn from its mistakes. It will never be a signalman in its own right.
However, as I am sure nutterathome will also acknowledge, when you work with it for some time you become accustomed to the way it decides to do things. You plan for its little quirks, and work against what it might do and it becomes a decent friendship. But turn your back for one minute and the machine will always, always do the opposite to what it did the last 100 times and make you look the fool.
Incidently, those who like to reminisce here. In the 1960s and 70s we didn't have half the overlaps we have now and there are many other things which have slowed things down a touch. Drivers doing two jobs for instance.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2005 22:18:32 GMT
As someone lucky enough to have worked both the Signal Cabin Lever Frame, ELCP and the Big Frame at Wood Lane I would say that local knowledge (Signalman, not PC correct but I don't care) and the speed of operation are two very essential ingredients in operating a Line. Ah, if i was to say i was Little Dave, would you know who i was? ;D |
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Post by nutterathome on Jul 11, 2005 18:59:10 GMT
Ah Little Dave..........got a tongue lashing from me at 0620 one morning for being toooooo loud. You must remember that us old'uns aren't as young as we were and like a little bit of piece and quiet even when the jobs gone belly up. The signalling system on the Central Line can drive even the most experienced Signalman to drink the way it's been programmed to 'think'. I do despair at times and wonder if the word 'progress' has been mistakenly used as it sure seems at times if this move was one going backward at times. I will continue with some of the anomallys of the Central another time as I have just come off nights having had to try and translate the TC and EWSA for the past week.....the mind boggles as to who writes those these days?  |
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Post by nutterathome on Jul 11, 2005 19:00:27 GMT
Bad spelling........must try harder.
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Post by citysig on Jul 11, 2005 19:10:25 GMT
The signalling system on the Central Line can drive even the most experienced Signalman to drink the way it's been programmed to 'think'. I do despair at times and wonder if the word 'progress' has been mistakenly used as it sure seems at times if this move was one going backward at times. I will continue with some of the anomallys of the Central another time as I have just come off nights having had to try and translate the TC and EWSA for the past week.....the mind boggles as to who writes those these days? I am sure that the signalling system is perfect - it is after all a bit more up to date than some lines. However I think you mean that which controls the signalling system is what can (and does) drive signalmen to drink. We have a good signalling system in the city. It was worked well when signalmen sat in boxes and pulled levers. As for the EWSA etc. What do you mean translate it. Do you mean you cannot understand the newer, simpler, apparently idiot-proof version riddled with even more mistakes than it ever had? I'm with you on that one ;D |
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Post by nutterathome on Jul 16, 2005 7:01:04 GMT
EWSA.........that's the one.
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Post by q8 on Jul 16, 2005 8:19:14 GMT
EWSA.........that's the one.
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It might well be the one mate but us silly old sods dunno what it means?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2005 8:49:02 GMT
Ah Little Dave..........got a tongue lashing from me at 0620 one morning for being toooooo loud. You must remember that us old'uns aren't as young as we were and like a little bit of piece and quiet even when the jobs gone belly up. lol!  I was excited about going home probably!  I have an idea who you are, purely from the screen name!! |
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Post by Harsig on Jul 16, 2005 9:20:55 GMT
EWSA.........that's the one. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ It might well be the one mate but us silly old sods dunno what it means? That is the fancy new name of the Ballast Train Supplement To The Traffic Circular. |
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Post by DWS on Jul 16, 2005 11:48:18 GMT
EWSA.........that's the one. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ It might well be the one mate but us silly old sods dunno what it means? EWSA = Engineering Works and Safety Arrangements. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2005 14:27:17 GMT
I will continue with some of the anomallys of the Central another time as I have just come off nights having had to try and translate the TC and EWSA for the past week.....the mind boggles as to who writes those these days? I heard a rumour that it's JK Rowling who writes them these days... After all, they're more fiction and fantasy than any Harry Potter book! |
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Post by citysig on Jul 16, 2005 14:34:09 GMT
EWSA = Engineering Works and Safety Arrangements. Every Week Some inAccuracies (quite a few actually ;D ) |
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Post by Harsig on Jul 16, 2005 14:42:19 GMT
EWSA = Engineering Works and Safety Arrangements. Every Week Some inAccuracies (quite a few actually ;D ) You've got that wrong. It should be Every Week Some Accuracies. After all the page numbers are often correct, and the date on the front cover almost always is. |
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Post by q8 on Jul 16, 2005 17:30:25 GMT
Oh I see...Every week something awful!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2005 18:22:02 GMT
Every Week sh*t 'appens!!!
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I was excited about going home probably! 
I have an idea who you are, purely from the screen name!!
