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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2010 17:15:15 GMT
When the 1992 stock was introduced in the early 1990s, the signalling had not been upgraded and there was no ATO/ATP was there an "unrestricted manual" mode available back then?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2010 17:33:43 GMT
Thats right, The position that it used to be would have been "full speed manual" for conventional driving methods on the selector switch but now thats the "restricted manual" position limited to 14 kph.
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Post by superteacher on Aug 31, 2010 17:58:41 GMT
I was told that manual driving was done on the coded manual setting before ATP was introduced.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2010 21:32:34 GMT
I was told that manual driving was done on the coded manual setting before ATP was introduced. Which would explain the 'select restricted manual' boards at Waterloo on the Drain.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2010 14:15:19 GMT
When the 1992 stock was introduced in the early 1990s, the signalling had not been upgraded and there was no ATO/ATP was there an "unrestricted manual" mode available back then? And strangely enough, I don't recall umpteen weekend closures in order to upgrade the signalling when they did so ...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2010 20:19:46 GMT
Not forgetting that ATO was introduced over a prolonged period in small sections...
thinking back now, the North Acton - Ealing Broadway, was the first section to go over to ATO, which gradually progressed east. The whole process took longer than anticipated... and even that wasn't a smooth process!
There was a problem, in the early days of trains over-running platforms... Epping to Theydon Bois was prone to this, especially in wet weather... [long section with a considerable gradient]
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Post by superteacher on Sept 1, 2010 21:46:35 GMT
Not forgetting that ATO was introduced over a prolonged period in small sections... thinking back now, the North Acton - Ealing Broadway, was the first section to go over to ATO, which gradually progressed east. The whole process took longer than anticipated... and even that wasn't a smooth process! There was a problem, in the early days of trains over-running platforms... Epping to Theydon Bois was prone to this, especially in wet weather... [long section with a considerable gradient] First ATO section was Gants Hill to Wanstead. I remember it was at the end of 1999.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2010 22:00:30 GMT
Not forgetting that ATO was introduced over a prolonged period in small sections... thinking back now, the North Acton - Ealing Broadway, was the first section to go over to ATO, which gradually progressed east. The whole process took longer than anticipated... and even that wasn't a smooth process! There was a problem, in the early days of trains over-running platforms... Epping to Theydon Bois was prone to this, especially in wet weather... [long section with a considerable gradient] First ATO section was Gants Hill to Wanstead. I remember it was at the end of 1999. That's correct, with this section also used for ATO training. In the early stages we could only select ATO on trains with the red A on the M door, which can still be seen on some trains today. The second section was Mile End to Shepherd's Bush, then the Epping road if I remember correctly.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2010 23:11:38 GMT
Here are the dates for passenger service introduction of ATO:
06.12.99 Wanstead to Gants Hill 12.02.00 Liverpool Street to Mile End 22.03.00 Bond Street to Liverpool Street 05.04.00 Shepherds Bush to Bond Street 18.07.00 Mile End to Wanstead 07.03.01 Shepherds Bush to West Ruislip & Ealing Broadway (except westbound into Ealing Broadway platforms 5 & 6) 01.05.01 Leytonstone to Epping & Gants Hill (except eastbound into Woodford platform 1) 16.11.01 Eastbound into Woodford platform 1 01.03.02 Westbound into Ealing Broadway platforms 5 & 6
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Post by Tom on Sept 3, 2010 0:08:53 GMT
And strangely enough, I don't recall umpteen weekend closures in order to upgrade the signalling when they did so ... No, they just said that West Ruislip had to be closed for six weeks for remodelling and resignalling. It finally reopened some 12+ weeks later.
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Post by auxsetreq on Sept 3, 2010 8:28:37 GMT
And strangely enough, I don't recall umpteen weekend closures in order to upgrade the signalling when they did so ... No, they just said that West Ruislip had to be closed for six weeks for remodelling and resignalling. It finally reopened some 12+ weeks later. Was this the occasion when all the trainstops ended up in a skip?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2010 10:38:52 GMT
And strangely enough, I don't recall umpteen weekend closures in order to upgrade the signalling when they did so ... There certainly was!! I was gainfully employed (as a second "hobby" job) driving (or controling) Central Line rail replacement buses somewhere on the line almost every weekend during the period. In those days they replaced any closed section with a replacement bus service, including zone 1. However "whole line" closures were not the way then. It was all done in sections.
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Post by railtechnician on Sept 3, 2010 10:49:57 GMT
No, they just said that West Ruislip had to be closed for six weeks for remodelling and resignalling. It finally reopened some 12+ weeks later. Was this the occasion when all the trainstops ended up in a skip? Perhaps, but that does not mean that they went to landfill! I think the worst of them were probably binned but I recall piles of them on pallets awaiting inspection and refurbishment at Acton Signal Overhaul Shop. Some would have been recycled as emergency spares and held in the various emergency stores and I believe that some were refurbished and modified for use on the JLE.
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Post by auxsetreq on Sept 3, 2010 11:26:06 GMT
Is the signal graveyard still at Northfields? Between the entrance and the depot itself, there used to be, or perhaps still is, a graveyard of all sorts of stuff rotting and rusting away..........
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Post by railtechnician on Sept 4, 2010 3:46:50 GMT
Is the signal graveyard still at Northfields? Between the entrance and the depot itself, there used to be, or perhaps still is, a graveyard of all sorts of stuff rotting and rusting away.......... Well my recollection is that the Northfields 'signal graveyard', or what remained of it, went up in flames in the early 1980s one Sunday morning. What I refer to was a number of Portakabins and sheds in various states of repair stretching west from not far inside the Northfields entrance to the depot, towards the sheds. This was a hangover from the resignalling of the Picc in the 1970s which was more or less done and dusted by the time I joined LT although there was still some tidying up in progress at Northfields and Boston manor as I recall in late 1977, jobs that I was aware of but not involved in right at the end of the programme, the nearest I got was the District Line resignalling changeover at Earls Court, West Brompton and Fulham Broadway one Saturday night around that time. Back then these places seemed a very long way from my Whitechapel signal (new works) depot base although at the time we were still working on tidying up the tail end of the Central line resignalling at Woodford, Leyton and Holborn, Chancery Lane and St. Pauls as I recall. I knew and had worked for the signal (new works) Inspector that set fire to the Northfields Portakabins, he was a Baker Street/Finchley Road man at the time and had invited the Fire Brigade along to supervise the controlled fire which it started on his behalf, I was not there myself. Despite doing everything apparently 'by the book' following subsequent complaints from the neighbouring residents he had to face a disciplinary board for his actions! I transferred to the Telephone installation section at Earls Court depot in 1979 and discovered that telephone cable was kept at Northfields parked neatly on drums behind the substation, at that time in the days when the depot road was ungated we used to drive in and help ourselves as required for various projects, the Portakabins were extant then and that is when I first discovered them, indeed they also contained some telephone equipment which I rescued in 1982 when I took up a training post at the South Woodford signal (new works) training school as the comms installation instructor. Funnily enough the post run gang was also stationed at the end of the South Woodford station car park at the time and it was circa 1984/5 that the Inspector of whom I speak took charge of it from the previous supervisor, that is how I came to know of the destruction of the Northfields 'temporary signal depot'. I didn't really see Northfields again until I joined Picc Line Signal maintenance at Bollo House, Acton, in 1996, although I had previously been working out of Signal House in Acton Works as a Comms TO with SE & C. It was then that I discovered that PLE still had a small piece of the old Northfields 'temporary signal depot plot', a small cage on the sleeper base (train loading area) at the east end of the depot not far from the substation where we kept signal cable and various items of metalwork, heston hose and other bits and pieces. AFAIK we stopped using that at or around 2000 when we had new sea containers delivered to our Bollo House depot and shifted an old one to Ash house, Arnos Grove. I still worked at Northfields occasionally until 2004 doing frame maintenance and relay changing in the IMR although by then I was based in Earls Court Control Room most nights of the week and whatever was left at the east end of the depot had more or less made way for the new security post inside the depot entrance and the parking area just beyond.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2010 12:58:12 GMT
And strangely enough, I don't recall umpteen weekend closures in order to upgrade the signalling when they did so ... No, they just said that West Ruislip had to be closed for six weeks for remodelling and resignalling. It finally reopened some 12+ weeks later. I think even that would be preferable to weekend closure after weekend closure without an end in sight.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2010 13:02:39 GMT
And strangely enough, I don't recall umpteen weekend closures in order to upgrade the signalling when they did so ... There certainly was!! I was gainfully employed (as a second "hobby" job) driving (or controling) Central Line rail replacement buses somewhere on the line almost every weekend during the period. In those days they replaced any closed section with a replacement bus service, including zone 1. However "whole line" closures were not the way then. It was all done in sections. Oh. I stand corrected, then. I just don't remember anything like the sort of disruption we're regualrly subjected to at weekends nowadays. Maybe I just didn't tend to use the Central Line much at that time? When was the zone 1 bit of it closed for this upgrade?
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Post by Ben on Sept 4, 2010 16:35:43 GMT
Why was a controlled fire seen as a solution to unwanted portacabins? Sounds a bit... 'Top Gear'...
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