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Post by roythebus on Sept 3, 2010 21:18:28 GMT
313s, when introduced, wer quite whizzy. i actually designed a T shirt for the kings Cross crews who worked them, 313 Squadron!
working a 31+6 on a Cambridge train one evening, we left Finsbury Park at the same time as a 313. we were non-stop, he was all stops. He beat us to Potters Bar!
Passed through Brighton at the weekend, lots of 313s there on the Seaford services in pretty colours.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2010 22:18:37 GMT
I prefer the 313's to the cattlestars but both have their advantages. I will miss the 313's, loads of character, nice motor sound, opening windows, the old blue nse seating moquette!, and the fact there were loads of seats which were fairly comfortable. I suppose it's just years of traveling on them alot they've just grown on me  . Especially those memories standing at willesden junction at 11 o clock on a winters night waiting to go home and along comes a 313 with it's comfy seats and underseat heating ah the good old days (lol nostalgia already this is 2009 were talking about! ) |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2010 0:00:30 GMT
Well it seems that i wont have my claim to fame. On looking through my roster i was to be the rostered Guard on this last train. However fate being what it is meant that i am also rostered Annual Leave and my wife has booked a week in Rome. So i wont even be in the country when the last 313 trundles across the North London Line
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Post by dazz285 on Sept 9, 2010 11:39:32 GMT
BAD NEWS !!!!!
My contact at Lorol HQ has just informed me that the special has been cancelled. So if you need to that photo's of 313121 or 313123 then get them taken asap..
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Post by harlesden on Sept 9, 2010 12:12:03 GMT
Surely it is a normal scheduled last train which, on this occasion, instead of tipping everyone out at Camden Road, is simply continuing in service via Queens Park to the same place it would be going anyway - Willesden Junction LL bay.
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Post by dazz285 on Sept 9, 2010 13:12:51 GMT
Seems like the 313 won't be on that circuit at all so it won't be running around on the 17th late in the day...
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Post by 21146 on Sept 9, 2010 16:36:35 GMT
BAD NEWS !!!!! My contact at Lorol HQ has just informed me that the special has been cancelled. So if you need to that photo's of 313121 or 313123 then get them taken asap.. Trouble is no idea where they'll be on any given day! Wait at Willesden Junction I guess and hope. Is next week the last one of 313 operation? |
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Post by dazz285 on Sept 9, 2010 17:26:42 GMT
I'll see what info I can get.
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Post by superteacher on Sept 9, 2010 20:17:34 GMT
I don't see why it's so difficult for them to make their mind up. Just pick a diagram, and stick to it!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2010 21:18:11 GMT
how many are still in operation? I use the NLL alot and still have not seen one since bfore that block closure east of gospel oak.
Shame to hear that they won't get a good send off.
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Post by metman on Sept 9, 2010 21:30:55 GMT
Can they not use one on the DC line?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2010 22:15:28 GMT
how many are still in operation? I use the NLL alot and still have not seen one since bfore that block closure east of gospel oak. Shame to hear that they won't get a good send off. Only two I believe on permanent standby. There was one out today on the NLL and on Monday (the first day of the LUL strike) they had one on the DC.  Martin |
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Post by Chris M on Sept 9, 2010 23:08:26 GMT
on Monday (the first day of the LUL strike) they had one on the DC. There was one out on the DC lines on Sunday as well - I missed it by seconds southbound at Carpenders Park  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2010 23:26:52 GMT
On the main day of the LU strike they ran extra trains in the peak on the DC lines between Euston and Harrow (reversing in the sidings at H&W). They did this before during the previous LU strike.
Anyway, one of these supplementary trains was a 313. That may well have been my last trip on one on the LO routes. Hadn't been on one for a while, and enjoyed being able to look out of the window properly for a change.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2010 1:05:48 GMT
I disagree. 313s are slow to accelerate, uncomfortable, clunky, noisy and hot. Maybe that was the standard for the 1970s when they were first designed but not for the 21st Century. I think we need to contrast with Intercity 125s. Of the same era, Intercity125s are classics by comparison in terms of quality, durability and technology (of the time). Weren't they slow to accelerate due to a restriction slapped on them on the NLL (cheapo electrification springs to mind). Once under the 25Kv, they're just as fast off the mark as their class 315 sisters. Not sure how the slightly more higher quality Southern region 3rd rail affects their acceleration, but with 750v and higher amps, could well make it better. They were clunky because they have DC traction equipment compared to AC traction equipment. Normal. Hot, yes. Those carriage thermostats must have started to play up somewhat. I shall miss them. Shame one never made it into LOROL livery. |
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Post by metman on Sept 10, 2010 6:48:31 GMT
They would have looked rather smart in the LOROL livery! I'll miss being able to look out of the window properly and the nice sound of the motors and the start up!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2010 7:48:05 GMT
As someone who had to travel on NLL a lot this year - good riddance!
313s won't be missed - they might hold some sentimental value for some, but for everyday commute they were horrible.
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Post by Chris M on Sept 10, 2010 9:53:02 GMT
As someone who had to travel on NLL a lot this year - good riddance! 313s won't be missed - they might hold some sentimental value for some, but for everyday commute they were horrible. I never had to commute on them, but I changed a Gsopel Oak from a packed 150 (including 3+2 seating like the 313s had) to a Packed 378. The latter was a very significantly more pleasant journey as it was possible to move inside the cars without decapitating people with my heavy rucksack and I was not similarly mauled by others bags when they left the train. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2010 10:23:57 GMT
Die! die! die!  ;D |
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Post by dazz285 on Sept 10, 2010 14:06:28 GMT
Monday to Friday
06:01 Watford Junction – London Euston
06:57 London Euston – Watford Junction
08:00 Watford Junction – London Euston
08:57 London Euston – Watford Junction
10:01 Watford Junction – London Euston
10:57 London Euston – Watford Junction
12:01 Watford Junction – London Euston
12:57 London Euston – Watford Junction
14:01 Watford Junction – London Euston
14:57 London Euston – Watford Junction
16:01 Watford Junction – London Euston
16:57 London Euston – Watford Junction
18:01 Watford Junction – London Euston
18:57 London Euston – Watford Junction
20:01 Watford Junction – London Euston
20:57 London Euston – Watford Junction
22:01 Watford Junction – London Euston
22:57 London Euston – Watford Junction
Saturday
05:05 off Watford, then xx01 off Watford on odd hours...i.e. 07:01, 09:01, 11:01 until 23:01 and xx:57 off Euston on odd hours from 05:57 until 23:57
· All times are WTT
· This can be subject to service disruption / maintenance and/or fleet requirements
· Lorol Control reserve the right to vary booked workings should they deem necessary
313121 & 313123 were both in the Tmd at willesden this morning but I managed to get
this info today but it seems that it's hit or miss weather or not they go into service at all...
Hope this helps.
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Post by dazz285 on Sept 13, 2010 19:58:52 GMT
313123 was out and about today. Managed to get a drive of it on the 1842 to Clapham Jct & back the tucked it up for the night in the tmd.
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Post by patstonuk on Sept 17, 2010 15:32:49 GMT
Presumably the last two have just faded out without ceremony, then? Still, no room for sentimentality on the thrusting modern railway, eh?
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Post by mrjrt on Sept 17, 2010 18:02:47 GMT
Presumably the 378s have much better acceleration/braking/top speeds than the 313s. Do you lot think there's any chance of better timetables coming in now there's a homogeneous fleet as the 313s are gone?
I'm not imagining anything too dramatic like an increase in frequency, but things being re-timed to be more reliable and perhaps arriving at certain stations a minute or two earlier and leaving a minute or two longer for better connections (Harrow & Wealdstone, I'm looking at you!).
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Post by metman on Sept 17, 2010 18:43:42 GMT
They need to run at 4tph on the DC line. There's nothing more depressing than missing a train and then waiting 20 mins Of course this has to gel in with the entry into Euston and the Bakerloo, but I'm sure it can be done. |
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Post by Chris M on Sept 17, 2010 23:10:36 GMT
They need to run at 4tph on the DC line. There's nothing more depressing than missing a train and then waiting 20 mins I thought that the signaling couldn't cope with anything more than 3 tph? As for depressing, try just missing a train and then waiting two hours or more for the next one. |
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Post by andypurk on Sept 17, 2010 23:29:52 GMT
They need to run at 4tph on the DC line. There's nothing more depressing than missing a train and then waiting 20 mins I thought that the signaling couldn't cope with anything more than 3 tph? There's no problem with the signalling for running more than 3 LO tph, after all trains (not in passenger service nor every hour) ran during the class 378 commissioning and during the de-icing season. Timetabling them in between the peak Bakerloo trains is more of a problem. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2010 14:45:51 GMT
They need to run at 4tph on the DC line. There's nothing more depressing than missing a train and then waiting 20 mins Of course this has to gel in with the entry into Euston and the Bakerloo, but I'm sure it can be done. I predict 2tph in the off peak when the cuts come |
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Post by rincew1nd on Sept 20, 2010 17:09:48 GMT
As for depressing, try just missing a train and then waiting two hours or more for the next one. Try missing a train and then waiting a week for the next one! And even then you can only go one direction, depending on the season; Denton:  |
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Post by superteacher on Sept 20, 2010 18:26:15 GMT
So is that definitely it for the 313's on LO then, or can we still expect some form of proper send off?
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Post by dazz285 on Sept 20, 2010 18:34:53 GMT
No proper send off now.. All gone :-(
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