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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2010 21:43:47 GMT
Watch the ITV local news tonight and they reported that a District Line train took the wrong signal and ended up on the wrong line and in their words 'its the second runaway train in under a month'.
I take it that the the T/Op accepted the wrong signal at Hanger Lane junction and ended up at South Harrow instead of Ealing Broadway. Not common but not rare and a little OTT I think.
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Post by apj64 on Aug 20, 2010 22:09:02 GMT
Saw this on the 6pm edition and the thick reporter said that the Train took a green signal to the Piccadilly line instead of a red signal for the district. A severe case of a reporter not having a clue what she is talking about.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2010 23:05:26 GMT
Deleted as my response was to an earlier incident in error.
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Post by railtechnician on Aug 21, 2010 0:14:10 GMT
Watch the ITV local news tonight and they reported that a District Line train took the wrong signal and ended up on the wrong line and in their words 'its the second runaway train in under a month'. I take it that the the T/Op accepted the wrong signal at Hanger Lane junction and ended up at South Harrow instead of Ealing Broadway. Not common but not rare and a little OTT I think. Yep it happens from time to time, I got called to such an event there at WM20/21 a few years ago along with a colleague and we had to go through the whole preservation of evidence routine, lifting relay tops, pulling fuses etc for a thorough daytime failure investigation as the motorman insisted initially that the signalling was at fault. Most often when a wrong route is pushed off there the motorman knows it and calls the signal operator, occasionally they don't notice until they have crept forward onto the points and have to set back under appropriate authority and now and again a train will take the route to avoid further delay. Incidents are similar but circumstances differ. The last thing I'd expect at HLJ is a runaway and the most common would be yet another failure of 9's clamplock points. Maybe the points have been replaced since they were part of my maintenance area!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2010 1:57:10 GMT
Obviously the reporter doesn't know the difference between a "wrong 'un" and a "runaway"...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2010 3:08:35 GMT
9's are still clamplocks and still give grief
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Post by SE13 on Aug 21, 2010 7:16:55 GMT
Talk about sensationalism
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Post by roythebus on Aug 21, 2010 7:54:59 GMT
there was an amusing bit somewhere on the other District Dave site about what happens when a DR take the wrong road at Hangar Lane by Piccadilly Pilot..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2010 8:11:26 GMT
They appear to have gotten themselves into a muddle. A district line train ending up at the lower down Earl's Court - now that WOULD be a story!
I've done this loads of times! Not all my error of course.
The interesting thing is that since the "signalling equipment upgrade" the signal WM20/21 calls for a clears, before the TD appears!
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Post by Phil on Aug 21, 2010 8:42:46 GMT
there was an amusing bit somewhere on the other District Dave site about what happens when a DR take the wrong road at Hangar Lane by Piccadilly Pilot.. Yup - the link has gone now: shame!! Grr - that's the second time in a week a good link has gone dead. If any one had the common sense to download the document itself (it's called 'the Hanger Lane Junction Guide' and it was by 'piccadilly pilot') please will you PM me? Thanks.
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Post by Chris M on Aug 21, 2010 9:55:37 GMT
Phill - have you looked to see if it's available via the Way Back Machine? www.archive.org/
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 21, 2010 10:29:08 GMT
I saw the "report", full of errors, made my blood boil. Inferred because the driver took the wrong signal, an accident may have happened, scaremongering was all it was.
The thick reporter, even tried to connect it to the Northern line runaway. Regarding that incident, she said a locomotive had run away. There was no loco on the line at the time, thats why a 95ts was used.
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Post by SE13 on Aug 21, 2010 12:08:19 GMT
It'd hardly be a runaway train if the driver was in the cab anyway....
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Post by Chris M on Aug 21, 2010 12:52:32 GMT
It'd hardly be a runaway train if the driver was in the cab anyway.... While this incident wasn't any sort of runaway, a runaway just requires an uncontrolled movement which can happen if there is a driver in the cab. There was at least one staff member on the grinder when it started running away.
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Post by 21146 on Aug 21, 2010 14:29:34 GMT
Funiest bit was that "the driver took the Piccadilly green instead of the District red" signal....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2010 15:51:24 GMT
Funiest bit was that "the driver took the Piccadilly green instead of the District red" signal.... . IS there a link to the report anywhere? I've looked on the ITV London site and they still think it's Wednesday.
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Post by SE13 on Aug 21, 2010 19:50:46 GMT
So..... Let's get to grips with the facts. - A driver took a wrong 'un.
- The train travelled until it could be turned
- At no point was the train a "runaway"
- No units detached
- There was no possible collision
- Everything passed without the need for sensationalism
About as media worth as a train slightly over shooting a platform, but hyped as if it were a near disaster.
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Post by Chris M on Aug 21, 2010 23:32:33 GMT
Should I ever be in a position to do anything about it (unlikely), one of the first laws I'd pass would be to require the media to publish any apologies and factual corrections with at least equal prominence to the original story. So should the error be made in a footnote to a story on page 14 they can make note of the correction in a footnote on page 14, but should it be made in the front page headline, then the correct must be the front page headline. I think it would only take one or two occasions before they started making sure their facts were right first time.
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Post by Phil on Aug 22, 2010 9:04:48 GMT
Should I ever be in a position to do anything about it (unlikely), one of the first laws I'd pass would be to require the media to publish any apologies and factual corrections with at least equal prominence to the original story. Theoretically there is one already - more observed in the breach than the action............
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Post by ducatisti on Aug 23, 2010 7:04:32 GMT
Cars, motorbikes, buses, coaches all pass red danger signals virtually every minute risking life and limb for themselves and other road users and pedestrians and no-one bats an eyelid point of order - if it crashes, it's always a powerful motorycle. Even if it was standing still or moving at walking pace, the fact that a bike by the same manufacturer can do 200mph (apparently), is mentioned. (that'd be a bit like the above report talking about a "powerful D-stock capable of 250mph [pic of TGV inserted here]"). Sensation sells...
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 30, 2010 9:58:17 GMT
Funiest bit was that "the driver took the Piccadilly green instead of the District red" signal.... Surprised that ITV didn't think district signals should be green and Picadilly ones blue: it would make the Northern Line ones difficult to see though!
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Post by Ben on Aug 30, 2010 22:42:39 GMT
You could black-light them. Would mean a drugs test wouldn't be necessary after a SPAD aswell
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2010 6:33:43 GMT
These poor Central drivers before it went ATO would have SPADs non stop ;D
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