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Post by harlesden on Aug 17, 2010 3:29:50 GMT
I believe I'm referring to R stock, and I've read that there was constant reforming of trains at one point - 6 car for off-peak and 8 car for peak - and so it was common to see trains made up of a mixture of red and silver stock. The source does not indicate an actual year when this occured.
Would it have been red painted R stock I saw occasionally on Circle Line duty when I first arrived in London to live in 1973? I used Kings Cross Met a lot in those early days travelling to Southall via Paddington.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2010 5:38:49 GMT
A mix of red and 'silver' R Stock began from when there was just one unpainted car in 1952. As more 'silver' cars arrived then the greater the chances of a mixed livery train. The repainting of red R Stock to 'silver' was finished in 1968.
In 1973 the Circle and H&C was all C69 Stock. Any 'red' trains then were the District Line Circles which operated on Sundays (two each road) which were formed of CO/CP Stock.
The District Edgware Road service was extended to Aldgate/Liverpool Street Saturday afternoons, which ended in February 1972. This would have been CO/CP Stock.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2010 13:14:33 GMT
There are a few pictures around of mixed-livery R stock formations. Chris Heaps 'London Underground Album' (Ian Allan) has a nice one and there is also a colour one on Ron Fishers Fotopic site. The 1965 Ian Allan 'London Underground ABC' has a nice one too of a set formed west to east 4S+2R+4S. I am modelling a 6 car mixed-livery set (4S+2R) and, once finished, I'll put money on someone saying that 'R stock never worked with COP stock'....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2010 15:29:01 GMT
Oh yes it did - but in separate train compositions, of course ;D ;D
When R Stock operated in 6-car formations, they often turned up on the District Circle workings on Sundays - red and silver - and probably mixed as well.
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Post by roythebus on Aug 17, 2010 22:11:39 GMT
I certainly worked 6 car r stock on the "District" circles on Sundays. They ceased to be used when they were reformed to 7 car sets.
Some guards would take delight in asking for a PNB at Baker street; the Met crews weren't trained on R stock, so it would sit there for 15 minutes while the guard used the toilet!
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Post by metman on Aug 23, 2010 21:07:09 GMT
I love dipping back in time....
The District used to run all sorts of formations. The 7 car train was proposed in the early days with the 1905 B stock. The period around the First World War saw 10, 11 and 12 car trains run, spliting at Whitechapel.
When newer designs started to arrive (K and L stock) the 4 car M-T-T-M formation was used with T-M being added at the east end to make 6 and 8 car trains. Ultimately, the 6 car train became the norm, with some 8 car trains in the peaks. Post war, the H stock seemed to work the 6 car trains (espeically on the Wimbleware service) with the 8 cars coming out of the Q stock. Great stuff!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2010 12:35:50 GMT
They certainly make it interesting when modelling LT. The reason I am basing my LT Model on the western end of the District/ Piccadilly in the early-mid 60s is so that I can run mixed formations. In a fleet of irregular looking Q stock and mixed livery R stock, the CO/CP stock looked almost plain by comparison. All fans of this stock please note the fact that I said 'almost'!
My R stock set numbers were chosen by using the data in the 'R Stock Story' published by the LURS. It gives details of when each individual vehicle was repainted. (It was also the first item I ever purchased on ebay. It proved to be the harbinger of things to come... But don't tell the wife!) I chose one of the first four-car portions to be painted silver allied to one of the last two-car portions to remain red! As I will not not be modelling any time period after 1967 I can easily get away with it. If anyone has any mixed livery R stock pics I would love to see them!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2010 16:34:56 GMT
I remember working a 5 car R stock one Sunday in 1974/5? on the Wimbledon Edgware Road service. Made a nice change!
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Post by ruislip on Aug 24, 2010 21:47:43 GMT
I remember working a 5 car R stock one Sunday in 1974/5? on the Wimbledon Edgware Road service. Made a nice change! was that the norm on the "Wimbleware" service after the District abolished uncoupling? |
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Post by Bighat on Aug 24, 2010 21:53:04 GMT
I remember working a 5 car R stock one Sunday in 1974/5? on the Wimbledon Edgware Road service. Made a nice change! Really? My recollection of R stock formation was as follows:- 6 car: 211xx 232xx 233xx 234xx 235xx 226xx and for an 8 car set add: 235xx 226xx to the eastbound end! Never remembered a 5 car formation! |
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Post by metman on Aug 24, 2010 22:21:03 GMT
When the fixed 7 car trains were formed there were two types of formation
211xx - 232xx - 232xxA - 233xx - 234xx + 235xx - 226xx OR
211xx - 233xx - 234xx + 235xx - 226xx + 235xx - 226xx
Therefore trains were either formed 3+2+2 or 5+2. Both types could run as 5 cars only.
21 232xx cars were scrapped in 1972-3.
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Post by Ben on Aug 24, 2010 23:26:59 GMT
Only the 3+2 could run as 5 cars in pax service as the 234xx car didnt have a cab  |
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Post by metman on Aug 25, 2010 6:48:29 GMT
Only the 3+2 could run as 5 cars in pax service as the 234xx car didnt have a cab  Oh yeah! I think one 5 car train ended up on the ELL once too. |
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Post by harlesden on Aug 25, 2010 9:24:20 GMT
metman, you referred to 10, 11 and 12 car trains. How did that work?
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