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Post by su31 on Aug 8, 2010 20:48:28 GMT
Having travelled on the D78's for a long long time, I thought I had heard most of Emma Clarke's announcements. Until tonight, this is! Coming in to work tonight, I heard the following announcements for the 1st time: Change (or possibly alight)? at the next station for Trafalgar Square Please keep your belongings with you CCTV is in use on this train Cannon Street Station is Closed rather than "the next station is closed, which amused me as that is where I am working tonight, to book on contractors Does anyone have a list of all the stored announcements, and better still, does anyone have a sound recording of all of them being played? - especially as Miss Clarke's dulcet tones won't be around forever...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2010 18:29:19 GMT
There 'is' a list of stored announcements and all T/ops are issued with it, but it is private and not for publication, I assume! Plus it would be useless without the accompanying DVA system. The 'keep belongings...., and CCTV....' ones are listed on the DVA sticky attached to the programmer - there is a list of about 15 which I assume are meant to be often used but in fact seldom are. There is a T/op - an Inst/op - who is a gee whizz on the DVA codes and I bet you were on his train, hence the Cannon st and Trafalger Squ. ones. The rest of us can't be bothered and we just do manual announcements....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2010 20:35:13 GMT
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Post by Chris M on Aug 12, 2010 22:14:34 GMT
The list in that image transcribed exactly, including 99 appearing before 98 and grammatical errors (no apostrophe in "Kings Cross", full stops with no following capital letter) DVA Manual AnnouncementsKEY | Anouncement | 1. | Let passengers off first | 2. | Move right down | 3. | Stand clear of doors | 4. | Train withdrawn from service | 5. | Keep belongings with you | 6. | Keep belongings with you. Report unattended or suspicious | 7. | No smoking | 8. | Held here to even out gaps in service | 9. | Beggars and Buskers | 10. | Next station closed | 11. | Rear two doors will not open in the last car | 12. | CCTV is in operation | 13. | PEA has been operated. Delay while investigations made | | | 20. | Planned engineering works. train will terminate at next station | 21. | Planned escalator works. train will not stop at next station | 22. | Planned lift maintenance. train will not stop at next station | 23. | Planned lift maintenance. no step free exit from next station | 24. | Lift defect, no step free exit from next station | 25. | Station modernisation works, next station will close early | 26. | Station modernisation works, next station will open late | | | 31. | Delays on the Circle. Change at Earl's Court for Edgeware Road | 32. | Delays on the Circle. Change at Aldgate East for Kings Cross | | | 90. | Moving forward and stopping. Hold on tight | 99. | Train and station being evacuated. Please leave the train | 98. | Please leave the train now. |
Is number 90 applying the rule for passing a signal at danger (or other reason for passing a raised trainstop)?
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Post by setttt on Aug 12, 2010 22:32:59 GMT
Is number 90 applying the rule for passing a signal at danger (or other reason for passing a raised trainstop)? Exactly right. In addition to the above, the CIS can be programmed to announce the closure of any London Underground station and several National Rail London termini. It can also announce various sections of the District line as closed due to engineering works or suspended, and announce minor or severe delays to any London Underground line, the DLR and also severe delays to c2c services. Finally there are several special event/venue messages such as "Alight at the next station for the London Mela in Gunnersbury Park" . All the announcements I've mentioned will play automatically at relevant locations, regardless of where or when (but only if) the Train Operator enters the code. The announcements listed by Chris M will play immediately.
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Post by su31 on Aug 13, 2010 16:03:43 GMT
Thanks for all the replies, I am a member of station staff, just with a (keen) weird interest!!
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Post by v52gc on Aug 24, 2010 23:56:34 GMT
Pity only 'live' PAs are recognised by the powers that be with all that available! (sorry, couldn't resist mentioning that...)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2010 14:59:36 GMT
Hello from a new member - I'm pleased to discover this lively and useful forum which has already answered so many questions (without me needing to ask any of them!)
Very interesting to read that PVA list - especially the transcribed one, since my eyes wouldn't adjust to the photo.
I was surprised to not see several familiar announcements in the list - ones I hear regularly on the approach to Earl's Court..
Ladies & Gentlemen, we are being held at a red signal... (should be on the move shortly) - EB only?
Ladies & Gentlemen, we are waiting for a vacant platform at the station ahead... - WB only or both?
Ladies & Gentlemen, we are being delayed at a signal, owing to congestion ahead... (WB only?)
I'm wondering are they part of some different list/system, or is one D78 stock driver an Emma impersonator? ;D
Also, I believe I have heard the "this train terminates here" message twice on occasions at HST/OLY and assumed that would be in this list too. If that is automatic then it's especially surprising to me since I thought the destination (on the internal boards - whatever they are known as) was sometimes set for the return journey prior to arriving at the terminus.
Any info most welcome! Thanks.
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Post by chrish on Sept 2, 2010 15:57:25 GMT
I was surprised to not see several familiar announcements in the list - ones I hear regularly on the approach to Earl's Court.. Ladies & Gentlemen, we are being held at a red signal... (should be on the move shortly) - EB only? Ladies & Gentlemen, we are waiting for a vacant platform at the station ahead... - WB only or both? Ladies & Gentlemen, we are being delayed at a signal, owing to congestion ahead... (WB only?) I'm wondering are they part of some different list/system, or is one D78 stock driver an Emma impersonator? ;D Also, I believe I have heard the "this train terminates here" message twice on occasions at HST/OLY and assumed that would be in this list too. If that is automatic then it's especially surprising to me since I thought the destination (on the internal boards - whatever they are known as) was sometimes set for the return journey prior to arriving at the terminus. Any info most welcome! Thanks. The transcribed list is only what is contained on the sticker in the D stock cab. Those are selected *useful* announcements from a much much larger list. The Red signal announcements were added at a later date and hence don't appear on the sticker.. and plus we aren't supposed to use them anyway.. hmph ;D Oh, and they can be played both WB and EB.. but we drivers like a bit of variety in the announcements Finally, the this train terminates here message is automatic, but as you say it depends on whether the driver has fully set up a new destination before arriving at the terminus. I personally, only set the DVA up partially (leaving 1 button push) before I arrive, so you get the this train terminates here message, then afterwards when you hit enter it plays the "This is a district train to.. " message.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2010 22:45:57 GMT
Now that's an elegant solution - and a nice clear answer! Many thanks, chrish.
I had guessed some annos were automatic & could only be "dumped" while playing (eg. inappropriate "change here for.." messages when there are engineering works), while others had to be manually invoked to play at all - but I'd assumed the Emma "red signal" messages were supposed to be used every time rather than live ones.
I'm pleased that's not the case since when you are stopped in a tunnel it's so much better to hear a live, natural voice rather than a supposedly reassuring "everything's ok" recording!
Since it's still relevant to the thread title, here's another automated announcer point I'm wondering if anyone has noticed...
(those for whom this is obvious and part of daily life may wish to skip this para! On approach to ECT we're told well in advance that the next station is Earl's Court, and from that point the destination is not mentioned while the dot-matrix just scrolls the Earl's Court message. When the doors open the anno is "this is Earl's Court, change here for the Piccadilly Line and District Line services to other destinations.." before it tells us *our* destination as the very last thing.
It always struck me as being a design flaw that from the moment we are told Earl's Court is next we're not told the destination until after the doors open and we're told to change for "other destinations" - no wonder people have to loiter around the doors or jump up at the very end of the anno!
I wonder if that will carry over to future systems?
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Post by Colin on Sept 2, 2010 23:51:48 GMT
But if you are already on the train, you would have heard the destination at the last station (if not several times before, depending on when you boarded).
On top of that, the destination is shown on the front and along the sides on each carriage, meaning you can see it before you board. Another source of information, once the doors are open, is the scrolling message inside each carriage (three per car) which change to show the destination relatively quickly.
Refurbished D stocks give far more information than most people ever seem to notice!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2010 10:06:33 GMT
That's fair Colin - although the side displays do alternate between destination and "District Line", so it's easy to look once and not realise it would then change to show the destination. I have helped people who have looked straight at them and then asked me where the train is going, because of that.
I agree there is more information than people seem to notice - or, to put it another way, there's a lot to take in! At off-peak times when there is no-one on the platform at places like Gloucester Road or West Brompton to make live calls it's not uncommon to hear an announcement about weekend engineering works when a train you are about to board arrives at the platform. If it's quiet then sometimes the doors are being closed before the destination is given in the automated message - which, of course, cuts off the message.
It's all about the right information at the right time, of course and in a single announcement "other destinations" is meaningless until it has told us the train's own destination, but I do take your point about the different ways to find out.
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Post by su31 on Sept 15, 2010 20:24:09 GMT
There is a T/op - an Inst/op - who is a gee whizz on the DVA codes and I bet you were on his train, hence the Cannon st and Trafalger Squ. ones. The rest of us can't be bothered and we just do manual announcements.... ... and that's probably why I heard "The Waterloo & City line is closed" whilst leaving Hammersmith on the w/b the other evening! ;D
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