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Post by Chris W on Mar 8, 2005 8:51:16 GMT
Am just wondering if anyone can answer this for me please ;D I am sure I have read somewhere (can't remember where or maybe I dreamt it!) that there are proposals to relocate the 92 stock from the Waterloo & City to the Central Line (being the same stock) and move some of the 67 stock when new trains come into service (around about 2009 when new rolling stock is expected)? Is this true or did I dream this!  Incidentally would it seem plausible that some 67/72 stock might find its way onto the Isle of White replacing the 1938 stock already there? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2005 9:23:25 GMT
There have been proposals to move several heavily overhauled 1972mkI TS onto the W&C to allow the 1992TS to be moed to the Central Line, to strengthen the fleet. The only problem with this is:
1. The Corporation of London wouldn't allow their nice new trains to be replaced with old knackered trains
2. The 1992TS on the W&C would need approx. 200 expensive mods to be done to the entire train to make them usable with the1992TS on the Central.
As for the IoW, I suspect that either 1972TS or 1973TS will end up being sent there.
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Post by Colin on Mar 8, 2005 19:35:24 GMT
I know they were never regarded as remotely reliable, but, are there not any 1983 stock left for either the waterloo & city or the Isle of wight. With a light refurbishment they might pass as good enough for the waterloo & city and would certainly be a modern boon for the Isle of wight.
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Post by Admin Team on Mar 8, 2005 20:02:27 GMT
I know they were never regarded as remotely reliable, but, are there not any 1983 stock left for either the waterloo & city or the Isle of wight. With a light refurbishment they might pass as good enough for the waterloo & city and would certainly be a modern boon for the Isle of wight. AFAIK there are very few 83TS units left now; there's a couple in South Harrow sidings (both completely vandalised, graffitied and - so I've been told - full of 'drug related apparatus') which I believe are rusted to the tracks, and one(?) in Uxbridge sidings. Anyone know of any others? Brian Hardy's London Underground Rolling Stock book published 2002 had the following page on the subject img.photobucket.com/albums/v663/districtdave/Odds%20and%20Ends/bhrollingstock83ts.jpg, but I know many have been scrapped. I wonder what the IoW will get in the end? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2005 21:24:49 GMT
I suspect that the sensible option would be to send them all of the double-ended 1973TS units, after they are replaced. Having that much stock available might make it possible for the existing route to be lengthened, and may even allow for new routes to be reopened.
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Post by Chris W on Mar 9, 2005 13:47:16 GMT
Regarding the IoW 1938 stock that is still in daily use (now getting on for 70 years old), how many more years does the IoW TOC think that it can get from them - especially considering they were nearly 50 years old when they were purchased from the undergound? Will the stock be able to be continually refurbished (obviously this will not be cost effective in relation to newer stock) until this date? - this will obviously be many more years if the TOC has to wait until the 73 stock trains become available! Also why were 83 stock cars just left in sidings (unless used for training purposes) and not either scrapped or instead saved and actively put to use? Incidentally thank you for replying to my original questions?  |
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Post by Admin Team on Mar 9, 2005 14:34:50 GMT
I'm no expert on the IoW, but I've a feeling that I read that there was an extensive refurbishment to the trains that do remain in service not too long ago and that they have several retired units which are retained for sourcing parts.
I guess too that the traffic patterns are much less demanding than they experienced during their lives with LU, and I guess this means that they can still plod on for a while longer!
But of course the time will inevitably come where the supply of parts runs out or it becomes impossible to source spares.
Future plans for the IoW network? Who knows!
As to the 83TS... When they were retired with the opening of the JLE they were of course only about 15 years old - still comparitively new - and as they were based on the D Stock it was thought that they'd have a future, hence they weren't scrapped at that point. Initially the idea was that they'd be used to augment the 73TS fleet on the Picc, but this proved impractical for a variety of reasons.
So they languished in the depots and sidings where it had been intended they would rest for a relatively short period of time.
However, once the decision had been reached that they couldn't be usefully used the decision was taken to scrap them (some thought with rather indecent haste), so now only a few remain in the more far flung sidings, and hence the condition that they've deteriorated to today.
Whether they were ever offered to the IoW or not I don't know.
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Post by Dmitri on Mar 9, 2005 14:46:50 GMT
I'm no expert on the IoW, but I've a feeling that I read that there was an extensive refurbishment to the trains that do remain in service not too long ago and that they have several retired units which are retained for sourcing parts. Some information on the IoW line is available here. Unfortunately a link to the Island Line site doesn't work  . |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2005 15:01:14 GMT
My guess is the IOW will get 4 car 72 stock when the Bakerloo gets new stock. The 72's are due to be replaced before the 73s, and the equipment is more similar to the 38s than the 73s which will make the job of training Drivers and Depot staff a lot easier than with 73 stock.
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Post by inmot12 on Mar 9, 2005 20:25:13 GMT
With regards to uxbridge sidings when i was a first year studet at brunel there were at least three trains of 83ts but in the years that have past (3) there is now only one rather delapidated unit. shame really, brunel should use them for student housing they like spending money on silly projects!!!
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Post by Admin Team on Mar 9, 2005 20:40:00 GMT
With regards to uxbridge sidings when i was a first year studet at brunel there were at least three trains of 83ts but in the years that have past (3) there is now only one rather delapidated unit. shame really, brunel should use them for student housing they like spending money on silly projects!!! Interesting idea..... The thought of pi$$ed Brunel students stumbling about live 630vDC traction current rails in the early hours of a Sunday morning....... Bet it'd deter the graffiti artists though! (p.s. The Kings Head in Windsor Street's a favourite of mine, if anyone's buying?) |
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Post by Chris W on Mar 9, 2005 21:05:49 GMT
"(p.s. The Kings Head in Windsor Street's a favourite of mine, if anyone's buying?)" Think I owe you at least one beer for answering my questions...... where is 'The King's Head' Windsor Street anyway.........! ;D Cheers Chris (alias CJW) |
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Post by Admin Team on Mar 9, 2005 21:46:44 GMT
"(p.s. The Kings Head in Windsor Street's a favourite of mine, if anyone's buying?)" Think I owe you at least one beer for answering my questions...... where is 'The King's Head' Windsor Street anyway.........! ;D Cheers Chris (alias CJW) Oops - quick gender change.... it's actually the Queens Head - and its in sunny Uxbridge - just a stagger from the station!  |
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Post by Alexh on Mar 15, 2005 8:12:58 GMT
I liked the Lord Hillin Cowley Mill Road Dave, very amusing
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Post by Alexh on Mar 15, 2005 8:13:49 GMT
Sorry, the Lord Hill in Cowley Mill Road
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2005 17:24:08 GMT
2. The 1992TS on the W&C would need approx. 200 expensive mods to be done to the entire train to make them usable with the1992TS on the Central. Quite. Even thought they are both 1992 tube stock, they are almost like tow different stocks, apart from what they look like and maybe the seat styles, they are almost different trains! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2005 21:03:32 GMT
AFAIK there are very few 83TS units left now; there's a couple in South Harrow sidings (both completely vandalised, graffitied and - so I've been told - full of 'drug related apparatus') which I believe are rusted to the tracks, and one(?) in Uxbridge sidings. Can anyone tell me what was wrong with the '83TS, other than slow single leaf doors? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2005 22:01:21 GMT
Can anyone tell me what was wrong with the '83TS, other than slow single leaf doors? I have seen threads on u.t.l. which stated that the 1983TS had quite a few problems - bad bogies, uncomfortable seats and knackered air-con come to mind. Paradoxically the drivers loved the things... |
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