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Post by Deep Level on Jul 26, 2010 4:03:32 GMT
As many people may know there have been plans to make a Central Line Station at Shoreditch High Street for interchange with London Overground. Liverpool Street and Bethnal Green Stations have the biggest gap in inner London between them and the Central Line passes under Shoreditch High Street Station in the gap. Also Shoreditch High Street Station is at Least 1km from Liverpool Street and Bethnal Green Central Line Stations.
I personally like this proposal, what do you think?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2010 9:32:15 GMT
That would be useful for me if the Jubilee line has trouble: I could go to Liverpool St and get on the Met
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Post by Chris M on Jul 26, 2010 12:01:31 GMT
This has been discussed several times before. The Central Line will not get a Shoreditch High Street station at least until after Crossrail is built, maybe not until after Crossrail 2/Chelney happens. The reason is that there is no capacity on the Central Line trains for any additional passengers in the peaks - already it is virtually impossible for many people to get on at Bethnal Green in the peak-flow direction, so the platforms at SHS would just get overcrowded during every peak time. If Crossrail 1 relieves the Central Line sufficiently in this area, then I'm sure it will be considered at that point, as I believe the station was built with passive provision for such an interchange. If it doesn't, but Crossrail 2/Chelney does, then I'm sure it will be considered at that point. Until then you'll just have to wait unfortunately.
More detailed reasons have iirc been posted in one of the previous several threads on this topic, and I'm sure one of our expert thread finders will be along to link to it/them before too long.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jul 26, 2010 22:01:52 GMT
Liverpool Street and Bethnal Green Stations have the biggest gap in inner London between them I raise you Bank-Waterloo, or even Mile End-Stratford if that counts as inner KX - Farringdon surely comes close too
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Post by andypurk on Jul 27, 2010 12:27:46 GMT
Liverpool Street and Bethnal Green Stations have the biggest gap in inner London between them I raise you Bank-Waterloo, or even Mile End-Stratford if that counts as inner KX - Farringdon surely comes close too From Quail Track Diagrams, Southern and TfL 3rd Edition Mile End - Stratford 2.77km Liverpool St - Bethnal Green 2.27km King's Cross - Farringdon 2.05km Bank - Waterloo 2.03km with King's Cross - Highbury & Islington 2.43km So your only raise which works is Mile End - Stratford, which is quite far out, but King's Cross - Highbury looks like a good one too for zones 1-2
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Post by Chris M on Jul 27, 2010 15:12:15 GMT
Further out, but the record holder for the current Central Line is I believe Debden-Theydon Bois. Were any ofhte inter-station distances on the Epping-Ongar stretch greater?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2010 15:43:16 GMT
CULG gives from Ongar (0 point) Blake Hall as 2.97, North Weald 5.71 and Epping 9.85, making North Weald the furthest from elsewhere on the line both before and after Blake Hall closed.
Amersham-Great Missenden was (is?) 8.25km, and would appear to be the all time record holder.
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Post by Ben on Jul 27, 2010 18:27:06 GMT
Seven Sisters - Finsbury Park is long aswell, at 3.15km. Manor House - Turnpike Lane being 2.32km. Interestingly; Liverpool St - Bethnal Green King's Cross - Farringdon Bank - Waterloo Manor House - Turnpike Lane , and Seven Sisters - Finsbury Park
have all had stations proposed between them, being respectively Shoreditch High Street, Mount Pleasant, Blackfriars, St. Anne's, and Manor House.
Hopefully Chelney, if engineered properly with suitable cross platform interchanges, will relieve loadings on the Pic and Central to such an extent that additional in-town stops will become viable, namely York Road and SHS.
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Post by londonstuff on Jul 27, 2010 19:44:32 GMT
Liverpool Street and Bethnal Green Stations have the biggest gap in inner London between them I raise you Bank-Waterloo, or even Mile End-Stratford if that counts as inner KX - Farringdon surely comes close too I ran the Circle line route once in preparation for the marathon. In comparison to the rest of the Circle, Farringdon to KX is miles
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Post by railtechnician on Jul 27, 2010 19:45:09 GMT
Seven Sisters - Finsbury Park is long aswell, at 3.15km. Manor House - Turnpike Lane being 2.32km. Interestingly; Liverpool St - Bethnal Green King's Cross - Farringdon Bank - Waterloo Manor House - Turnpike Lane , and Seven Sisters - Finsbury Park have all had stations proposed between them, being respectively Shoreditch High Street, Mount Pleasant, Blackfriars, St. Anne's, and Manor House. Hopefully Chelney, if engineered properly with suitable cross platform interchanges, will relieve loadings on the Pic and Central to such an extent that additional in-town stops will become viable, namely York Road and SHS. Every one of those is a bit of a trot and I walked them all doing maintenance, installations or surveys over the years.
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Post by railtechnician on Jul 27, 2010 19:47:58 GMT
I raise you Bank-Waterloo, or even Mile End-Stratford if that counts as inner KX - Farringdon surely comes close too I ran the Circle line route once in preparation for the marathon. In comparison to the rest of the Circle, Farringdon to KX is milesYep, I can't resist saying that farringdon to Blackfriars is the shortest though ! ;D
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jul 27, 2010 20:11:48 GMT
Yep, I can't resist saying that farringdon to Blackfriars is the shortest though ! ;D Mansion House to Monument is shorter, even when Cannon Street is open! If Quail Maps has the W&C as 2.03km, it differs from CULG and the TfL official site, which both quote 2.37km
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Post by andypurk on Jul 27, 2010 21:00:40 GMT
Yep, I can't resist saying that farringdon to Blackfriars is the shortest though ! ;D Mansion House to Monument is shorter, even when Cannon Street is open! If Quail Maps has the W&C as 2.03km, it differs from CULG and the TfL official site, which both quote 2.37km I think that there is probably an error in Quail (the first edition shows the same 2.37km as CULG). The W&C line actually 'changed length' when taken over by LU, when distances were converted from miles and chains to km.
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Post by superteacher on Aug 5, 2010 9:41:36 GMT
Hesthrow T4 to Heathrow T123 is quite a long way too.
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Post by railtechnician on Aug 5, 2010 11:24:27 GMT
Hesthrow T4 to Heathrow T123 is quite a long way too. Yep, part of my old maintenance area so I regularly walked it, in fact I walked the entire Picc line both roads more than once and the tunnel sections multiple times. Apart from signal maintenance, mostly at the West end from Acton to Heathrow and South Harrow, I was also responsible for tunnel telephone wire cleaning for all Picc sections as I was also the line comms TO. The entire T4 loop is roughly 5.3km but for signal maintenance it had to be done in three sections, T4 to Hatton cross, T4 to WY100 and T123 to WY1 in one tunnel and back to T123 in the other. At the time there was little more than two hours track time and often three signal maintenance teams would work in unison to do all the signal, tunnel telephone and tunnel lighting maintenance in a single shift but it could be graft as there was a lot for a two man party to carry. This did not include any point maintenance which was done separately on subsequent shifts.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2010 13:08:09 GMT
Hammersmith-Acton Town (when the small dark blue trains don't stop at Turnham Grn)?
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Post by Chris M on Aug 5, 2010 13:18:10 GMT
Hammersmith-Acton Town (when the small dark blue trains don't stop at Turnham Grn)? Probably less far than Harrow-on-the-Hill to Finchley Road.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2010 16:34:46 GMT
Hammersmith-Acton Town (when the small dark blue trains don't stop at Turnham Grn)? Probably less far than Harrow-on-the-Hill to Finchley Road. seems further on the map - I guess that's tricking me
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Post by harlesden on Aug 5, 2010 17:14:12 GMT
The tube map is actually a diagrammatic representation of the LUL network and does not claim to depict the actual geographical location of stations in relation to each other nor the actual physical distances between adjacent stations on the same line. Additionally stations actually geographically close to one another may not be indicated as such on the tube diagram. On the Piccadilly Line for example, the diagram indicates distance between Covent Garden and Leicester Square might be similar to the distance between Wood Green and Bounds Green. In reality, this is most definitely not the case.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2010 21:24:05 GMT
Yep, the central area I think is given a larger prominance as well. I guess because it will be the most used parts of the network.
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Post by Chris M on Aug 5, 2010 21:59:49 GMT
The prominence of the central area is due to the density of the lines and stations in that part of London.
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