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Post by den on Jul 20, 2010 18:49:09 GMT
I've heard there will be a one day strike tomorrow on the Met line. Any idea how much disruption there will be?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2010 7:38:03 GMT
I've heard there will be a one day strike tomorrow on the Met line. Any idea how much disruption there will be? The strike affects Rickmansworth depot only, and I won't go into any more detail. A special timetable is in operation for the whole of today.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2010 8:16:53 GMT
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Post by cso on Jul 21, 2010 9:07:56 GMT
A special timetable is in operation for the whole of today. Apparently the timetable is: - No fast services - 2 tph Amersham - Wembley - 4 tph Watford - Baker Street - 4 tph Uxbridge - Aldgate (n/s Baker Street) and I think the guy announcing at harrow had another one too, but I didn't catch it.
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Post by knap on Jul 21, 2010 9:32:41 GMT
Nothing mentioned on the travel alerts of TFL web site concerning how lines are running, just says minor disruption.
So if TFL knew there was to be a strike, perhaps they should have warned the passengers and not just rely on a white board at a station and P A and platform staff trying to explain to passengers what is happening, or not as the case may be.
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Post by metuser on Jul 21, 2010 9:34:54 GMT
A special timetable is in operation for the whole of today. Apparently the timetable is: - No fast services - 2 tph Amersham - Wembley - 4 tph Watford - Baker Street - 4 tph Uxbridge - Aldgate (n/s Baker Street) and I think the guy announcing at harrow had another one too, but I didn't catch it. I think the other one is 2 tph Chesham-Wembley.
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Post by metuser on Jul 21, 2010 9:50:24 GMT
It would have been useful to give some prior notice of this strike action. It was a terrible journey this morning to work and Had I known that there was going to be reduced service, I would have arranged to work from home. Does anyone care about us passengers at all?
The biggest joke is TFL service update which says the line has minor delays when there are only 4 Uxbridge trains running per hour even in peak hours.
P.S. Before someone helpfully points out that there were posters in stations, I can't see them and I haven't heard announcements in any of the stations I use regularly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2010 9:54:13 GMT
It would have been useful to give some prior notice of this strike action. It was a terrible journey this morning to work and Had I known that there was going to be reduced service, I would have arranged to work from home. Does anyone care about us passengers at all? The biggest joke is TFL service update which says the line has minor delays when there are only 4 Uxbridge trains running per hour even in peak hours. P.S. Before someone helpfully points out that there were posters in stations, I can't see them and I haven't heard announcements in any of the stations I use regularly. On my journey into work yesterday, no posters were up. I believe they were in the process of letting the public know yesterday afternoon, despite this strike being on the cards for some weeks! The "timetable" only started being planned by Service Control on Monday, when the Timetables people could have been asked to knock one up weeks ago. Very poor planning indeed!
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Post by cso on Jul 21, 2010 9:57:39 GMT
I didn't notice a poster at Hillingdon, but did spot one at Wembley Park when I got there... I'm fairly sure I didn't spot it last night either... Apparently it was to be displayed at All met stations, Zone 1 Stations, and things like West Ruislip and Marylebone according to the small print on the bottom
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Post by cso on Jul 21, 2010 9:59:19 GMT
BTW, is the strike the reason why trains seemed to be running as 5xx this morning rather than 4xx or have I just never noticed that they run as 5xx in the morning
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2010 10:00:10 GMT
BTW, is the strike the reason why trains seemed to be running as 5xx this morning rather than 4xx or have I just never noticed that they run as 5xx in the morning 5XX are the numbers used for a special TT on the Met
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Post by 21146 on Jul 21, 2010 10:30:18 GMT
The lack of notice is part of the normal LU propaganda war:
Little or no advance warning helps to imply that no one's actually going to take part and thus may persuade some staff to come in (esp for early turn).
"Minor delays", or even "good service" once the traffic day has begun suggests very few, if any, people have backed the dispute and therefore encourages middle or late turn staff to attend. (Who wants to be one of just a handful of T/Ops who took strike action?)
The same occurred during the recent Tube Lines dispute. Around 30 drivers at one depot "refused to work on the grounds of safety" and there were massive gaps, but the service service status remained "good" due to orders from on high, despite the fact that station staff were being subject to abuse over this (technically "verbal assualts"). There is a "get out clause" explained in the current OTM which says "local announcements" should be used on these occasions.
Some readers with long memories may recall the '82 strike, when LT repeatedly said there was a limited service operating on the Piccadilly Line. There wasn't, and the rails were red with rust, but they were desperate to get something running on the "flagship" Heathrow branch if enough drivers and guards came in.
Like most things in LU (and industrial relations in general) these days, it's all politics and spin.
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Post by vato on Jul 21, 2010 14:25:11 GMT
I don't know anything about the reasons behind the dispute, so I won't comment on that.
What I'm annoyed about is the communications i.e. lack or inaccuracy thereof. First I heard of this was when I got to the station this morning - calm chaos ensued for most of the journey. All station announcements were claiming that a good service was in operation. I started home early because I knew it would be rubbish, and the announcements still said a good service. Never mind the fact that there were no Chesham shuttles running at all - Taxi instead - That'll be appalling in peak. The Live Travel News page on the web still says good service. I hate to think what would have to happen for the service to be less than good, and I hate being lied to even more.
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Post by knap on Jul 21, 2010 14:47:23 GMT
Taking account the inaccurate information being provided to passengers, who should we complain to?
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Post by Ben on Jul 21, 2010 16:39:35 GMT
London Travel Watch. Or a yucca plant. Their effective power is not dissimilar.
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Post by 21146 on Jul 21, 2010 17:27:33 GMT
21 out of 45 trains operating.
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Post by Tomcakes on Jul 21, 2010 18:06:50 GMT
I have a photo of a sign saying "NO TRAINS FROM THIS STATION" next to one saying there is a "good service"... joined up thinking there.
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Post by cso on Jul 21, 2010 18:54:07 GMT
Surely there's no way that less than half a service can be defined as a 'Good Service'??
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2010 19:29:32 GMT
I have a photo of a sign saying "NO TRAINS FROM THIS STATION" next to one saying there is a "good service"... joined up thinking there. Surely that wasn't you at Chesham at about 2:30 this afternoon? Also, thankfully there was 1tph running to Chesham by the evening peak, Chiltern Railways also seemed to be running 4/5 car trains every 15 minutes, so although the Chesham shuttle and Amersham branches were awful, the London end can't have been too bad.
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Post by Chris M on Jul 21, 2010 19:38:31 GMT
Surely there's no way that less than half a service can be defined as a 'Good Service'?? Certainly not in any meaningful way, but then we've known for a long time that the service status messages and the actual status of the service being offered frequently don't correlate. The only thing you can say for certain is that if the status message says no trains are running then you (probably) wont be able to catch a train on that section of line. I'm guessing that they'll explain it away by saying that the service they were offering was sufficiently close to what they planned to run (given the known lack of staff/trains available to run a normal service) to say that it was a good service. However, as we mere mortals are not privy to information on what service they plan to run this doesn't help the travelling public. I've said before that the general public want to know two bits of information about their journey - how long they will have to wait for their train, and how long their journey will take once they are on the train. In many cases it is possible for disruption to increase the journey times without significantly increasing the interval or vice versa. The choice of status message between "Good service" (meaning anything from "perfect" to "dire"), "minor delays" (meaning anything from "not far off a good service" to "dire"), "severe delays" (meaning anything from "moderately extended journey times or intervals" to "three sardine tins an hour (if you're lucky) that'll be overtaken by a 93-year old cripple in an antique diving suit") and "suspended" (meaning anything from "two of the aforementioned sardine tins an hour" to "no trains until next week") doesn't actually help anybody plan their journey though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2010 19:55:18 GMT
There was a day last week (short term memory loss) when the Met was at a complete standstill northbound from Finchley Road because of emergency engineering works on some pesky points south of Wembley Park. When the all-clear was given to at least run up the fast through WPK Platform 1, there were half a dozen drivers at the head of the platform awaiting a train to drive with no idea when it was going to come in, what number it would be or even to where it would eventually be going. As each badly delayed train arrived in turn and opened it's doors, passengers in the front two cars who leaned out to gulp down some fresh air could clearly hear the shouted discussions between the drivers and a Duty Manager on Platform 2 as to who should drive what and to where ...... whilst all the time the station p.a. system was blaring out messages at propaganda level about a Good Service operating on the Met. Who needs a strike??
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Post by Tomcakes on Jul 21, 2010 20:05:09 GMT
I have a photo of a sign saying "NO TRAINS FROM THIS STATION" next to one saying there is a "good service"... joined up thinking there. Surely that wasn't you at Chesham at about 2:30 this afternoon? If you're thinking of (as most people do) the one with the Yorkshire accent who sat in the front seat of the replacement taxi - yes!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2010 20:06:00 GMT
Surely that wasn't you at Chesham at about 2:30 this afternoon? If you're thinking of (as most people do) the one with the Yorkshire accent who sat in the front seat of the replacement taxi - yes! Haha, what a small world! I was the one with my mum, sat just behind you. Come to think of it, weren't you on the BVE stand at acton too?
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Post by North End on Jul 21, 2010 21:13:38 GMT
There was a day last week (short term memory loss) when the Met was at a complete standstill northbound from Finchley Road because of emergency engineering works on some pesky points south of Wembley Park. When the all-clear was given to at least run up the fast through WPK Platform 1, there were half a dozen drivers at the head of the platform awaiting a train to drive with no idea when it was going to come in, what number it would be or even to where it would eventually be going. As each badly delayed train arrived in turn and opened it's doors, passengers in the front two cars who leaned out to gulp down some fresh air could clearly hear the shouted discussions between the drivers and a Duty Manager on Platform 2 as to who should drive what and to where ...... whilst all the time the station p.a. system was blaring out messages at propaganda level about a Good Service operating on the Met. Who needs a strike?? At one point last Monday evening, the Northern Line had 23 trains between Camden Town and Golders Green northbound, all blocking back through Golders Green due to crew relief problems due to an earlier incident. Journey time for this section was in the vicinity of 1 hour. The service status went from Minor Delays to Good Service in the midst of this.
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Post by fleetline on Jul 21, 2010 22:37:39 GMT
At one point last Monday evening, the Northern Line had 23 trains between Camden Town and Golders Green northbound, all blocking back through Golders Green due to crew relief problems due to an earlier incident. Journey time for this section was in the vicinity of 1 hour. The service status went from Minor Delays to Good Service in the midst of this. Which then when on to block northbound services to High barnet but as you get off you get the good service announcement. Hmmmmmm.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2010 0:52:23 GMT
One poster up at Uxbridge. It didn't affect my journey but then I left just after the peak and it was probably twice as busy as usual on the train. An update stating a 'reduced service' with a note suggesting using alternative routes would be a better option in many situations than 'minor delays'.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2010 8:37:19 GMT
21 out of 45 trains operating. There were 24 trains running from about 17.00, dropping to 22 at 21.00. There were 9 Uxbridge-Aldgates (15 minute service) 7 Wat-Bak.St (15 minutes) and when i came in 4 Ame-WPK (30 minutes). For the evening peak, two additional were added for Chesham, and the service then was 3 Cheshams and 3 Amershams. This gave a 20 minute headway WPK- Chalfont, but 40 mins Chalfont to Amersham/Chesham alternately. Two extra peak trains to the city were added (600+601) running Nea Dt -Aldgate with one then running to Uxbridge then Harrow and then Wembley Sidings, the other going to Watford and then to Wembley Sidings.
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Post by 21146 on Jul 22, 2010 10:57:05 GMT
And even after the service deteriorated to such an extent that there were less than 50% of trains running, a "minor delays" message was begrudgingly issued - but with no reason given, which caused total confusion amongst staff elsewhere who were unaware of the strike.
Also, given the posters were restricted to Met Line stations there was thus no advance warning for passengers starting their journeys on other lines.
Disgraceful!
Playing politics again...
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Post by Phil on Jul 22, 2010 11:23:44 GMT
And even after the service deteriorated to such an extent that there were less than 50% of trains running, a "minor delays" message was begrudgingly issued - but with no reason given, which caused total confusion amongst staff elsewhere who were unaware of the strike. Also, given the posters were restricted to Met Line stations there was thus no advance warning for passengers starting their journeys on other lines. Disgraceful! Playing politics again... Sad isn't it? I bet even the 'mystery shoppers' so beloved of TfL don't even believe the 'service' announcements now when planning their journeys. Come to think of it, shouldn't the mystery shoppers officially report such inaccurate announcements as the lies propaganda they are, hence forcing those at the top to do something to correct it? Or even some (qualified) sm*rtarse lawyer threatening to sue TfL on the grounds of deliberately misleading information......
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2010 11:47:54 GMT
And even after the service deteriorated to such an extent that there were less than 50% of trains running, a "minor delays" message was begrudgingly issued - but with no reason given Disgraceful! Playing politics again... I do know that when I left, Baker Street were announcing the reason as Industrial Action. Probably about the only station that was doing so (although I'm sure I'll be corrected).
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